I concede that most natural systems probably do not play nicely with any measurement system. Counting the toes in a group of three toed sloths would probably lend itself to a base 3(or multiple) system. However counting toes in a primate enclosure(maybe the mall during flipflop season) would probably work better on a base ten system. As for calendars, I think the Hobbits got it right with a year consists of 60 x 6 day weeks and 5ish days of heavy feasting at the end of the year. That seems like a nice system. I especially like the 4 day work week.
The efficiency of the Imperial system in doing almost anything is so slow and prone to errors. I recently built a shed with a pitched roof using a base 16 inch measuring tape. Have you ever tried to calculate the stud height of irregularly spaced studs on a sloped roof in base 16. I had to convert everything to decimal first then convert back in order to do it on my calculator. Steve, I challenge you to a race without Google searching. Here are some questions in metric and imperial. I will do them in metric and you do them in imperial. Which measurement system is faster? 1🗺: Alice has 3 x 1 Liter jugs of water in her backpack. How much does the water weigh in grams? 1🇺🇸: Bob has 3 x 1 gallon jugs of water in his backpack. How much does the water weigh in ounces (not fluid ounces, the other one) ? 2🗺: A straight road is 10m wide and 40 km long. What is the area of the road in square centimeters? 2🇺🇸: A straight road is 10ft wide and 40 miles long. What is the area of the road in square inches? 3🗺: A chip weighs 1kg/meter. What does a 1cm chip weigh in grams? 3🇺🇸: A french fry weighs 1 pound/yard. What does a 1 inch french fry weigh in ounces? Cody Smith On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 6:12 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > I hope the imperial measurement system is the next thing to go. > > Yah... I can't wait for 10 hour days with 100 days a year and 10, 10 day > months or would it be 10 10 m-week m-months made up of 10 m-day m-weeks and > 10 m-hour m-days? 10,000 m-hour-things a year? Each m-hour made up of 100 > m-minutes and 100 m-seconds per m-minute? or 10,000 m-seconds per m-hour? > I think that is roughly 52 old-minutes per m-hour so about 2 m-minutes per > old-minute and about 1.6 old-second per m-minute? Is that 10^8 m-seconds > per year? And a purist would probably insist on there being 10&10 > m-seconds per year, though we could instead use m-msecs as our atomic unit > of perception, though that would be 10^11 ? Or settle for m-centi-secs? I > might barely be able to perceptually recognize things at that level since > it is vaguely down near the frequencies where > > I'm not sure how to get the sun and moon to sign up for all that. Or > revert everything to sexigesimal instead... maybe add a finger on each hand > to simplify the counting thing? > > In the kitchen and with lumber and cordage I find halves and quarters and > even eighths easier to work with than tenths. I get the convenience of > metric for calculation with decimal number systems... but dividing things > into halves and halves of halves and even thirds is a pretty compelling > intuitive process. Sexigesimal (60) invokes 5ths as well which then > supports/allows/extends the ability to divide by 2,3,5 or more elaborately > 360 base with 3,4,5,6 divisors. I find that playing cards (solitaire and > some rummy-like-games) as a child informed me in base 4 (suites) base 13 > (ace-king) and therefore base 52 intuitions which ultimately spilled over > into weeks of the moon(th) and moon(ths) of the year. Quartering the Moon > and Sun cycle gives us intuitively compelling (registered on nature's > evident rhythms) basis for 7-day weeks and 3 moon(th) Seasons of sorts. > I've never experienced directly a lunar calendar but have friends who are > Muslim who end up with a lunar-solar sense of annual scheduling. I think > if I lived in a more temperate/equatorial geography, lunar/lunar-solar > might be more obvious. Also if I lived more outside of a climate > controlled house and did more night-time hunting/warring, the phases of the > moon would be (yet) more evident/important. > > - Gramble > > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 1:00 PM cody dooderson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For those of you who don't get all of your news from XKCD, >> https://xkcd.com/2594 . >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:03 PM Gillian Densmore <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:34 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 3/15/22 3:29 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: >>>> > Please pass >>>> > >>>> https://www.cnet.com/culture/senate-unanimously-passes-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent/ >>>> > >>>> > I had to google that this wasn't early April fools, or that I was >>>> > misreading things. >>>> >>>> except they got it backwards? People who *like* getting up and going >>>> to work before the sun comes up should find a job where that is >>>> rewarded, or at least accepted... there are many. But how many folks >>>> want to walk into work from the parking lot in the dark at 8AM? >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> I'm a bit of a purist, wanting the sun to be at "high noon" at noontime >>>> and the sunrise and sunset roughly symmetric around that moment. It is >>>> a tiny and ideological thing, so I get it that nobody else cares. >>>> >>> Agreed that noon. 'high noon' is when the sun is at the top of the sky. >>> And we have. Or at least probably have any number of simple tech fixes >>> to get a lot of sunshine through the day for any given location. such that >>> noon at *35° 41' 29.5584'' N and 105° 56' 39.0588'' W*. For Santa Fe, >>> NM >>> means that sensors and some kind of geo-location hack for clocks, >>> computers etc know to make adjustments through out the year to make sure >>> noon means the sun is pretty close to the top of the sky on a y axis for >>> those coordinates. >>> lol but I have a feeling words like: probabilities, statistically even, >>> Y-axis, optimal, random, and simply give us enough F'n sunshine. For the >>> white house would make to many peoples eyes glaze over. just getting to >>> have one or the other is a pretty good solid step. Dynamic Time adjustments >>> can come along shortly. >>> What's kind of funny is Arizona has been quietly sitting around going >>> we're working just fine, you don't need to...ok how long is this weirdness >>> going to keep going. >>> I wonder how many tongs got bitten on to not do a told you so. and how >>> many more going to be pretty sore for quite a while if/when it passes. >>> >>>> but... whatever... I have very few schedules enforced on me, and those >>>> that are are generally not as arbitrary as the MDT/DST differences. >>>> >>>> > Now it just needs to get passed the court jester and man who looks >>>> and >>>> > sounds like a constipated turtle: Mconnel. >>>> > >>>> > Gives me a little hope for UBI and a NHS. >>>> > >>>> I'd like to think that a unanimous decision like this might help break >>>> up some of the corrosion in the system keeping it locked up, but I >>>> think >>>> the GOP (goofy old party) has too much invested in things that the UBI >>>> and NHS would confront. >>>> >>>> LOL I like how you think. And alas, probably right. >>>> >>> I googled how many places don't have a summer or winter clock: a lot >>> don't. Is this graph right that Japan noped out of a summer and winter >>> clock system? >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country >>> so what I'm reading is two clocks is limited to only a few places and >>> the rest of the globe is working pretty well with one type of clock? >>> coolness! >>> >>>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- >>>> - . >>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>>> archives: >>>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> >>> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - >>> . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: >>> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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