I appreciate your insight, Roger. Yeah, right! --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:15 AM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > Schrödinger's Meme, a superposition of sincerity and irony, which just > gets more indeterminate the longer you look at it, flickering with each new > piece of information about the history of the performer or the meme, an > endlessly questionable moment of human expression. > > -- rec -- > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 9:39 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is well argued, despite Frank's mischaracterization. We've had this >> conversation a lot, including the discussion of seemingly cruel actuarial >> dollar values of human lives: >> >> Risk-Aversion Sets Life Value >> https://www.overcomingbias.com/2020/06/the-value-of-life.html >> >> I often wonder if someone will eventually "cancel" me by weaponizing some >> arbitrary thing I say or write the way Frank's weaponizing Jon's comment. >> As we've discussed before, it can happen to anyone: >> >> The New Puritans >> >> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/10/new-puritans-mob-justice-canceled/619818/ >> >> We'd all like to think we're better than the New Puritans. But to me, >> it's simply more evidence this forum isn't appropriate for chat. Arguably, >> the zoom meeting would be appropriate. But because some of us can't/won't >> make the distinction, we end up in this awkward situation. >> >> My favorite recent example of a confused privied white dude >> misunderstanding appropriate fora is Peter Singer: >> >> Faculty at Rhodes College Urge Cancellation of Online Talk by Peter >> Singer (updated) >> >> https://dailynous.com/2021/09/28/faculty-at-rhodes-college-urge-cancellation-of-online-talk-by-peter-singer/ >> >> The whole situation is absurd. And if you don't appreciate the implicit >> humor, you'll never grok the Zoomers: >> >> what makes gen z humor so interesting? >> https://youtu.be/a1LyTThf7V0 >> >> On October 16, 2021 11:39:32 AM PDT, Jon Zingale <jonzing...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >""" >> > >> >Also on Friday you said that you are happy when people my age die. So it >> >doesn't matter to you that 95% of people who die are unvaccinated. >> > >> >""" >> > >> > >> >Something similar to that, so thank you for this opportunity to >> >clarify. What are examples of goals that others not like yourself >> >might have? For one, they may not think that saving a few million >> >lives is worth preserving the status quo, the power structures that >> >have the world veering toward its death. I suggested (with tongue only >> >partially in cheek) that mother nature offered a solution for >> >recalibrating the power distribution and that we found a vaccination >> >for it. Sure, hot words, but not that much more triggering than the >> >shit we usually say in a Friam meeting. I hear ageist, racist and >> >classist remarks nearly every Friday, so shrug. >> > >> > >> >For instance, you made it clear that everybody in Pittsburgh knows who >> >is black and who isn't. Another suggested that life was easier back >> >then. EricC slid one under your radar by asking if it was based on the >> >standard definition that of having 1/4 black heritage, to which you >> >thoughtlessly agreed. Nick or maybe someone else pointed out that the >> >studies did not hold up in Africa and that the correspondence was >> >maybe not the result of "race" (whatever that is) but relatively >> >recent cultural pressures (the descendants of those that did not die >> >on a difficult journey across the ocean and into slavery to serve your >> >ancestors[!]). >> > >> > >> >It is clear that continuing to push your personal work is your own >> >narcissism and not because it is relevant to anything (like your >> >anecdote about StuK and you bullying some researchers that actually >> >did work into adding you both onto their paper). What could it mean to >> >be relevant? I leave that to you as an exercise. >> > >> > >> >All said, I care about you Frank, and I also must call a spade a spade >> >(that is a saying isn't it?) There is no reason for you to collect >> >more per month now than anytime in your working life when so many >> >people continue to work harder than you could have ever imagined for >> >yourself, often risking their lives so that some silver fox can demand >> >a refund for their steak being a little overcooked. I am not asking >> >that you give away your comfort, but to acknowledge and maybe even >> >attempt to set things right. Btw, I recognize and deeply respect the >> >good things you are doing for your grandchildren. >> > >> > >> >What I am asking for is the vulnerability to hear that others may be >> >upset and their reasons worth feeling. Generationally speaking, I am a >> >genX-er and we are very clear that there were never enough of us to >> >matter and that the protests of our generation were quickly silenced >> >by a phony war on terror. There is no part of me that wishes for what >> >you boomers had (and squandered in your great numbers), but rather, I >> >wish to understand how to support the generations after mine that are >> >left with the legacy of boomer self-obsession. So, um... whatever >> >dude. >> > >> > >> >[!] But please, tell me again about your native american heritage. >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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