Thanks, Jon. Pandora does a pretty good job of playing music I like based on my thumbs up. Except when Matthew's choices get mixed in. I've heard "Old Town Road" quite enough.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 7:23 PM Jon Zingale <jonzing...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for asking, Frank. On Friday, Glen mentioned that he was attempting > to train his music streaming service to identify *Schwill Rock*[0]. This is > amidst the ongoing discussions we have, on the server, regarding the > foundations of statistics[1], the use of AI in the legal system, and the > recurring realization that our suggestion engines are leading us into > deeper and deeper silos. > > [0] The first question, the one about the Dwarves, is mostly asked toward > Glen, though the question is on the forum and so clearly open to whomever. > From what I gather, Glen classified Schwill rock as music that rocks but > without apparent intellectual value. He gave two examples. In the Schwill > category we might have White Zombie: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU&ab_channel=WhiteZombieVEVO > > and in the other, Tool: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7JG63IuaWs&list=RDY7JG63IuaWs&start_radio=1&ab_channel=TOOLVEVO > > which for those playing at home, invites analysis: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOHkeH2VaE0&ab_channel=Polyphonic > > As for me, if I happen to (for some god-forsaken reason) find myself > listening to early Bob Dylan, I am very unlikely to want to listen to Joan > Baez or Woody Guthrie or Nina Simone's "folk" record next. Seriously > though, must *all* roads lead to Morrissey? I agree that it is possible > that someone somewhere does, but I sure as shit don't. > > This leads me to wonder... if training AI on the current legal system > produces racist AI judges, then what hope do we have that (once those old > enough to have admired seeing live Dylan are finally gone) the rest of us > won't be stuck with *that* legacy "baked" into the AI engines? Let's face > it, it's not just the biosphere, look at that wasteland we still call > radio. (Thanks, Telecom act, wherever you are). > > That said, I made some effort a few weeks ago (as well as on Friday) to > get a conversation started around what suggestion engines and search > engines could potentially do differently. One promising idea I have been > researching a lot lately is to adapt weighted ensemble methods (those used > for protein folding, say) to get better estimates on the all too > volatile energy landscape that is our individually fickle musical tastes. > Other ideas might include methods for rewarding actions in favor of > tolerance. But hey, just about anything would be better than the "geodesic > humping", "least-action loving" and "k-cluster fucked" nightmare we have > presently. > > So there I am at Bosque Brewing and Spotify has gone off the rails, > everyone in the bar can tell, and no one is quite sure what can be done > about it. In some places I visit, the wait staff has already been defeated > by the domineering sounds of AI deejays and corporate policy. I can > empathize when I hear workers ask, "who would want to hear music on their > day off"? > > Anyway, I wasn't sure about posting this response, but Grammarly assures > me that this post "may sound to readers": admiringly, appreciative, and > formal. All good things. mmm... spicy. > > [1] Sorry, Nick, you missed your chance. > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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