Commercial airlines are 95% pilot-less. Even take-off and landing. Exceptions 
for weather, some specific airports, and emergencies. 

Davew

On Wed, Sep 8, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> Jochen -
> 
> Yes, Amtrak is the primary passenger rail in the US.  I believe there are 
> myriad local if not regional passenger rail options, especially on the East 
> Coast.  I believe that Amtrak is technically privately owned but as "the only 
> game in town" for long haul passenger service it depends heavily on 
> Government subsidy/franchise.
> 
> Regarding driverless everything.  A friend of mine recently made the point 
> that this is what we do as modern humans (meaning since neolithic or maybe 
> just agriculture or perhaps industrial era) is to build things to replace 
> ouselves.   The ultimate pinnacle will perhaps be post-humanism in the 
> extreme?
> 
> Driverless trains make a lot more sense than driverless cars.  Even pilotless 
> airlines would seem so since things are so constrained in air (and rail 
> moreso) travel.   Driverless cars make a lot of sense to me also, but how to 
> get from here to there... I suspect the hardest thing for driverless cars to 
> cope with is cars with human drivers!
> 
>> Amtrak is the national railroad in the US ? President Joe Biden has been a 
>> frequent user of Amtrak trains
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/amtrak-joe-brief-history-of-bidens-history-americas-railroad-2021-4
>> 
>> We have an island at the North Sea where we go every year on vacation. It is 
>> about 500 km (310 miles) from Berlin. Usually we go by train, but this year 
>> the train drivers are on strike so we took a car instead. I believe in the 
>> near future train drivers will be obsolete anyway, because driverless trains 
>> are the future. Years ago I have seen self-checkout systems in supermarkets 
>> in London, and now they appear everywhere in Berlin, replacing salesmen. I 
>> believe it will be similar for driverless trains. I have seen impressive 
>> driverless trains in Copenhagen, Denmark, but not yet in Berlin
>> https://www.equaltimes.org/driverless-trains-are-coming-but?lang=en
>> 
>> -J.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com>
>> Date: 9/7/21 22:36 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: friam@redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark
>> 
>> Mary and I are reading a biography of HD Thoreau and I feel like I have a 
>> better bead on who the heck NST is from getting a slightly better bead on 
>> that aspect of small town New England's history/perspective.    Neither of 
>> us have spent more than glancing careens through New England population 
>> centers in our lives.
>> 
>> We were on our way to visit a friend on the coast of Maine with an intention 
>> of crashing Nick's front porch party on the way by, for some egg-salad 
>> sandwiches when Mary's back went sideways.  We've been doing urgent 
>> care/medical imaging/accupuncture/physical therapy instead.   She's 
>> recovering well and may likely avoid surgery.
>> 
>> It is just as well with COVID spiking again... we were planning an Amtrak 
>> run supplemented by a rental car and might have been able to avoid the worst 
>> of the gambit ( not so much our own risk, but the risk of stirring pots best 
>> left under-stirred and becoming vectors ourselves ).   
>> 
>> I read that Amtrak style travel clocks in at 1/2 the carbon footprint of 
>> air-travel... I'm surprised it is not better.  In either case, it doesn't 
>> fit well into my aspiration of joining (spiritually) the 2000 Watt Society 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000-watt_society>.   The more formidable 
>> target of a 500W Society (to achieve a carbon-neutral humanity with lots of 
>> assumptions) doesn't likely leave any room for long-distance travel unless 
>> it is roughly by-foot (bring back the Mormon Handcart 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_pioneers#Travel_conditions>?)  Maybe 
>> DaveW can get a friend to haul him into his favorite hot-spring that way 
>> without the noise and erosion and fumes of an ATV?
>> 
>> On 9/7/21 2:14 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:
>>> My domain has expired this week too and my email account stopped to work, 
>>> but I was able to renew it. Hope you are online again soon!
>>> 
>>> -J.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 9/7/21 19:46 (GMT+01:00)
>>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com>
>>> Subject: [FRIAM] Nick has gone dark
>>> 
>>> I fried my network adapter, so I will have no network connectivity at least 
>>> until friday.  Possibly, longer if it turns out to be a software problem.  
>>> Didn't want anybody to think I didn't love them.  If you need to talk, best 
>>> to call me at 413-477-6602.  God knows I don't have anything else to do.   
>>> 
>>> Nick 
>>> 
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