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T On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 1:52 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > Nice. But I think my favorite on that list has got to be Rumination > Disorder. Such a surprise at a dinner party. Yes, I definitely know some > Orthorexians! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 9:07 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential > technological growth. > > What I find magical about both cats and people is how plastic we are. The > point of a regimen is to clamp down against that plasticity ... turn us > into robots. I'm no Dionysian. But the idea of clamping out all the > variation that allows us to go off a local optimum to find (collectively) a > higher peak is a bit disgusting to me, no pun intended. That we have > supplements that help trigger some of the pathways triggered by fasting is > a great example, but susceptible to pseudoscience. > > Many doctors, physicians' assistants, anesthesiologists, etc. ... > especially cardiologists, seem so rigorous about their lifestyles they seem > unhealthy to me. One of Renee's friends and co-workers back in Oregon fit > the description given for *orthorexia* to a T < > https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/learn/by-eating-disorder/other/orthorexia > >. > > Brings to mind the quote attributed to Wilde: "Everything in moderation, > including moderation." > > On 8/9/21 8:30 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > A vaccine installs information in the immune system about antigen. > Exercise (or fasting) distills into various kinds of cell and signaling > changes. (Like in the current example with insulin resistance.) > Systematic control of the body (and brain) through chemicals or biologics > isn't possible yet, but many causal relations are understood or at least > have been tested for safety. What I find strange is that so many people > (and not just anti-vaxxers) prefer total ignorance to partial ignorance. > I would rather turn a knob to select my weight or VO2 max than have to run > 10 miles a day. Not just because it is easier or uses less time, but it > because it is way cooler. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > > Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 7:56 AM > > To: friam@redfish.com > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential > technological growth. > > > > There's quite a bit wrong with this stance. What is "health"? What do we > mean by "control" or "prevention" (cf endless sophistry about free will)? > There are clear risks to people like Dr. Sinclair (cf Linus Pauling, Didier > Raoult, etc.)? > > > > But the problematic part of this thread that I think is most important > is analogous to the Disease Model of Alcoholism and, more generally, the > shaming of people with behavior or cognitive problems. Now, I'm not an > advocate for the disease model of alcoholism. But in moving that way, we've > progressed from blaming alcoholism on a person's moral failings to > understanding the physiological reward system that drives much of our > behavior. > > > > The claim that obesity and/or a large share of type 2 diabetes is > preventable/controllable is clearly a problematic claim ... a bit like my > dad breaking my nose and telling me to "suck it up". If you're fat, you > must simply be a loser. Pull yourself up and do the work. Now, thank me for > giving you my tough love wisdom. Pfft. > > > > One further issue lies in the privileges most of us (on this list) > enjoy. Most of the people I know who eat highly processed food are low > income. Not only is their diet exceedingly difficult to manage because it > costs MONEY to eat well, but many of them have more than 1 job and often > work off hours (like night shifts or weekends). Such schedules make it > difficult to stick to any regimen. And it's not merely diet that suffers > but exercise too. I'm just barely disciplined enough to exercise 4-5 days > per week for about 1.5 hours each session. But I exercise in the morning. > If I sleep past 5am, or have a Zoom meeting before 8am, my exercise session > is screwed up. If I speed through it, I end up hurting my back, putting me > out of commission for at least several days. Etc. > > > > So, if you are one of the LUCKY ONES, lucky enough to have haphazardly > fallen into your life of privilege, good for you. But don't accuse others > of moral failings just because they don't behave the way you behave. That > road, however it's paved, leads you straight to hell. > > > > > > On 8/8/21 11:31 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > >> Prof David West, just confirming, I'm not speaking in absolutes. > >> > >> My point is simply that for most of us you can significantly reduce > future health problems by following a healthy lifestyle. This is not > limited to but includes severe health problems if you are infected by the > covid virus. > >> > >> P > >> > >> On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 19:15, Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm > <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: > >> > >> __ > >> Not Pieter, but ... > >> > >> Some small percentage of _*Type II *_diabetes is not > preventable/controllable with diet and exercise. > >> > >> Similarly, of the 42% of the US population that is obese (9.2% > morbidly obese), some small subset is not preventable/controllable with > diet exercise. (My guess is less that 20-25%). > >> > >> I am pretty sure Pieter was not speaking in absolutes. > >> > >> davew > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:46 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto: > thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Pieter, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I am interested in your assertion that metabolic disorders like > >>> diabetes and obesity are preventable. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> N > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Nick Thompson > >>> > >>> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > >>> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto: > friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Pieter Steenekamp > >>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:16 AM > >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and > exponential technological growth. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> The CDC reports that among 4,899,447 hospitalized adults in > >>> PHD-SR, 540,667 (11.0%) were patients with COVID-19, of whom 94.9% had > at least 1 underlying medical condition. > https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm < > https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm>. > >>> > >>> > >>> My reading of this is that it is mainly preventable conditions and > my simple conclusion is that if you live healthy you are well protected > against covid. > >>> > >>> My wife and I got a wake-up call with loved ones that died of > covid. They were all obese. Our focus is now to live healthy. It not only > gives additional protection against covid, but against many other causes of > illness and poor quality of life too. > >>> > > > > -- > > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn > > GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn > > GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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