Good example. Like the USA South Africa was a former British colony. And both countries had to struggle with racism in the past. But the development of democracy was different. The rise and fall of democracy is an interesting topichttps://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691177465/the-decline-and-rise-of-democracyI wonder what the essential factor is: do immoral presidents cause the collapse of democracy in a country by undermining democratic institutions or is it the other way round: the economy (and therefore the country) is already broken and institutions are weak, which enables immoral authoritarian rulers to grab power? Or a combination of both? -J. -------- Original message --------From: Pieter Steenekamp <piet...@randcontrols.co.za> Date: 8/8/21 20:26 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure Well, I'm from South Africa, and we have been close to moral collapse and IMO that could have led to our state failing.If you ask ten South Africans you'll get maybe twenty opinions, below is just my very brief view of what has been and what is happening in South Africa.South Africa became democratic in 1994 with Nelson Mandela the president. With him at the helm we had the moral high ground. His immediate successor Thabo Mbeki also did well. But between 2009 and 2017 Jacob Zuma was our president. He looted very seriously from the state and unfortunately under him many people in all state organisations started to also loot. The corruption became very deep. He is in jail now.We now have Cyril Ramaphosa as president and it's anybody's guess, but at least I'm very confident that Cyril is leading us again towards the moral high ground and away from state failure. On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 19:18, Jochen Fromm <j...@cas-group.net> wrote:This paper from last year argues that moral collapse and state failure are linked. Would you agree?https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpos.2020.568704/full-J.- .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
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