Yes, you could say that government in general and especially lawmakers are our superego. The best common word synonym for superego is conscience. Since a lot of people have lacunae of their own superego we need laws and law enforcers.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:48 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Frank - > > I see your case for the Constitution-as-superego. I guess I was thinking > more in the social-cultural sense than the political. When we were a > predominantly religious (e.g. Christian) culture, perhaps it was the > various "Good Books" and the church leadership(s)... > Priests/Pastors/Rabbis/Imams and such? > > In spite of *many* giving lip service both to Constitution and Good Books > and 10point Tablets, and Golden Rules, it feels like the true operating > principles are at least similarly NeoDarwinism (of which I think Stephen > and Dave have both spoken against) and NeoLIberalism (which many speak > against, notably Glen here I think) and . > > But these are more like abstractions and institutions rather than > dynamic-coherence-maintaining processes which is how I apprehend the id, > ego, superego to be? While the Constitution is nominally a "living > document" (with amendments allowed)... the Good Book(s) are generally not > allowed to be revised (albeit continued revelations seem to be common such > as via Joseph Smith, David Karesh, a multitude of Yogis, etc.) I suppose > that in some sense these artifacts encode/reflect the superego, I'm maybe > looking for something more "organic". Any current existing *governing > body* would seem to be a somewhat more mutable super-ego, and the > pop-culture "equivalent" might be what? > > - Steve > > > p.s. do a Google search of "superego", Steve. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 PM Frank Wimberly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego. It's >> interesting that Trump resents the ways in which it constrains him. He >> tries to get around it with surprising success thanks to sycophants like >> Barr et al. >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:04 PM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Frank - >>> >>> And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have base >>> impulses for which we fear we might be shamed. >>> >>> And that includes everyone. But then most of us have superegos that >>> constrain us. Trump less so. >>> >>> Ah, but HIS is a SuperDuperEgo... just ask him, he'll tell ya! >>> >>> I don't know what your stake (or dog in the fight or ... pick a >>> metaphor) is regarding collective >>> consciousness/awareness/intelligence/wisdom/action in the abstract but it >>> seems your background would support having an opinion or more to the point >>> a thought-through-thought or two on the topic. >>> >>> If there are suitable parallels between individual consciousness and >>> collective versions of it, what would be the superego of a culture, people, >>> nation-state, etc.? >>> >>> - Steve >>> >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> >> > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe <http://bit.ly/virtualfriamun/subscribe> > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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