Sorry, Steve, to be a bit off topic here, but your reference to "certain codes of personal conduct" emerging from institutions of "higher education" are now considered racist. And I suggest that the list take a look at this amazing piece in a recent NYTimes titled "Whiteness Lessons". Your generation may not be able to tackle the article with an open mind, but I suggest that we need to pay close attention.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/magazine/white-fragility-robin-diangelo.html On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:58 AM Steve Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > As I read the interchange about GPT-3 and the Chinese room, I was drawn > off into side-musings which were finally polyped off to a pure tangent (in > my head) when DougC and NickT exchanged: > > NLT> Dog do joy; why not computers? > > DC> dog is highly interconnected - hormones, nerves, senses, and > environment. neurons are not binary . every synapse is an infinite state > variable. > > While Joy and humor are not identical, there is some positive > correlation. Poking around, I was only mildly surprised to find that > there was a body of literature and in fact international organizations and > conferences on humor (not mimes or clowns or stand up comedians, but real > scholars studying the former as well as regular people). I was looking > for the physiological complexes implied by humor or joy. I haven't (yet) > found as much on the topic as I would like, maybe because I got sidelined > reading about 2 neologisms (ca 2007) and a related ancient (Greek) term: > *Gelotophobia*, *Gelotophilia*, and *Katagelasticism*. My limited > Italian and Spanish had me reading it as "Gelato" or "Helado" which > translates roughly into our own "Ice Cream", though the ingredients differ > toward less rich technically. > > Their meanings, however are roughly: Fear of being laughed at; Love of > being laughed at; and the Pleasure of laughing at others. These are > apparently more than the usual discomfort or warm feelings we might get > from being laughed at, or from laughing at others, but a more deep and > acute sense of it. > > https://www.wired.com/2011/07/international-humor-conference/ > > https://www.zora.uzh.ch/id/eprint/14037/1/Ruch_Proyer_PhoPhiKat_V.pdf > > Part of why I bring it up on this list is because as I study myself and > others as we exchange our ideas, observations, and occasional > (un)pleasantries, I am fascinated by the intersection between (convolution > amongsT?) personal styles and perhaps more formal "training" each of us > might have learned from our parents, among our peers, by our teachers, our > workplaces, possibly professional organizations, etc. > > It appears to me that institutions of higher education enforce/impose a > certain code of personal conduct first on their participants (undergrads, > grads, postdocs, staff, faculty) which is a microcosm of the larger world. > White Collar and Blue Collar contexts are also similarly dissimilar, and > within those, a cube-farm of programmer-geeks and a bullpen of writers, and > a trading floor of traders (all white collar, taking their showers at the > beginning of the day) have a wide spectrum while blue collar workers > (taking their showers at the end of the day) do as well. Construction > crews, oilfield roughnecks, cowboys, farmhands, etc. each have their own > myriad ways of interacting... sometimes *requiring* a level of mocking to > feel connected, etc. There may also be a strong generational component... > as we cross roughly 3 generations. > Greatest/Boomers/X/Millenials/Zoomers/??? and all the cusps between. > > But what I was most interested in is related to the original discussion > which is what is the extended physiological response to humor, joy, mockery > that a human (or animal?) may have which a synthetic being would need to be > designed to include. Perhaps a properly broadly conceived General > Artificial Intelligence would ultimately include all of this as well, and > as deep learning evolves, it seems that there is no reason that a GI > couldn't simulate the physiological feedback loops that drive and regulate > some aspects of humore? > > - Steve > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2 twitter: @Merle_Lefkoff
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