Clinicians (therapists, counselors, psychiatrists, etc) use data that is based on private, highly sensitive personal information, it's very difficult and often impossible to apply the methods of experimental psychologists to that data. The clinicians do write papers but by the experimenters standards the sample sizes are so tiny as to merit dismissal of the results.
So, imagine you are a clinician. Every case you have ever seen of a person with paranoid delusions involves significant grandiosity. (Why would the CIA be focusing on you, Marvin) Your colleagues have observed the same with few exceptions. Some clinician writes an article which mentions this. Experimental psychologists read it and say you need to do a double blind study to assert that. You realize that's impossible so you learn to disregard experimentalists just as they disregard you. You both think, "I wish I were a physicist but I hated math". Take it for what it's worth. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Jul 7, 2020, 12:16 PM ∄ uǝlƃ <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ah! OK. So, it's not physics envy, it's authority envy. There's still > something off about what (I think) you're saying, though. It strikes me > that NONE of the physicists I've ever talked to speak with the kind of > pseudo-authority the psychologists I've talked to speak with. I.e. in my > (limited) experience, psychologists, psychiatrists, and therapists in > general, speak with authority. Physicists don't talk that way (again, in my > experience). They don't say, for a lame example, "Classical mechanics is > false." They use hedge words like "in some circumstances" or "to some > approximation" or whatever. And given that the physcicists don't *assert* > the authority those you're claiming are "envious" of that authority, it > *still* feels to me like fallacious reasoning, rather than an actual envy. > > It's totally reasonable to envy something someone actually has, like a > muscle car or something. But can you really envy something another person > does NOT have ... and, indeed, denies having if pressed? > > They're really just trying to trick you into believing whatever nonsense > they spout. They're not really envious of the work physicists do. I'm not > confident that their fallacy is appeal to authority, though. I think it's > something else ... appeal to *mystery* or somesuch. I need to review the > fallacies to see if there's one that fits better than appeal to authority. > > On 7/7/20 10:49 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > That physicists have such authority is what psychologists have envied. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC <http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/FRIAM-COMIC> > http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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