The Shadow. And I didn't look it up.
--- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Jun 14, 2020, 12:43 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Russ, > > > > I seem to have confounded two issues, here: Is Engineering ever a science, > and is software engineering in any sense a science? Will we ever converge > on the Best Way To Build A Bridge? And, Is Software engineering like > bridge-building? I guess that in bridge building there are certain harsh > realities to which we must conform. Are there any harsh realities to which > software engineering must conform? What are they? Does having to conform > to harsh realities make an activity a science? > > > > “Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?” [I bet you nobody on > this list knows the origin of that quote without looking it up.] > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > [email protected] > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Russ Abbott > *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 12:36 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] alternative response > > > > "Science" is generally defined as the study of the natural world. If we > take that to exclude man-made artifacts and processes, software engineering > (by definition) is not a science. > > > > -- Russ Abbott > Professor, Computer Science > California State University, Los Angeles > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 11:27 AM Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> > wrote: > > *< *So, software engineering is not a science. It’s a culture? There is > no right or wrong about it? > > > > > In practice, it is a culture. People cling to their beliefs and their > habits, like the racists do. Attempts to intervene cause a lot of > turmoil. Intervention sometimes seems urgent, but really it is probably > better to avoid these cultures. > > > > Marcus > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >
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