Ed,
Wait a minute: these young folks of the sixties were a hypothetical! I can make them as brown or as lower class or as native American as I like. Don’t Mess With My Mythos. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Edward Angel Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 3:30 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund Nick, I have no problem with anyone wanting to support their local barista. Please remember also that the Food Bank really needs funds. I do have a problem with your view of the 60’s. Those young folks you remember were almost 100% white middle class kids, Almost no blacks, hispanics, native americans or asians. At that time poverty was far higher than it is today. Medical care was not available to large parts of the population. And then there was the rest of the world at that time. By fixating on the local situation, we tend to forget about the bigger world which is suffering far more than us. Countries across Asia and Africa are dealing with the virus in addition to refugees, lack of medical facilities, the impossibility of social distancing and many other factors. Lots of information on the web as to how bad the situation is. There are organizations combating these factors that are worth paying attention to. Ed _______________________ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico 1017 Sierra Pinon Santa Fe, NM 87501 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu <mailto:an...@cs.unm.edu> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:04 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Steve, Thanks, Steve, I was listening to a podcast by the guy who runs Robin Hood, an organization dedicated to getting at the institutional roots of poverty. When asked where we should give money in this crisis, he said, give it where you feel passion, because that is where you are likely to give it again. I confess I feel passion for these young folks, who in the 60’s would have been in graduate programs, or art or music schools, teaching, learning, inspiring, but are instead meagerly supporting their passions by making me coffee. And very good coffee at that. So that’s where my money goes. Robin Hood <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_Foundation> might be better for Glen because “According to Fortune <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(magazine)> magazine, "Robin Hood was a pioneer in what is now called venture philanthropy, or charity that embraces free-market forces. An early practitioner of using metrics to measure the effectiveness of grants, it is a place where strategies to alleviate urban poverty are hotly debated, ineffectual plans are coldly discarded, and its staff of 66 hatches radical new ideas."[ <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood_Foundation#cite_note-fm-2> ” Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:52 PM To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund I tipped Ohori's staff, hoping that success there will maybe encourage lateral transmission to other restaurants. I also found Sweetwater on goFundMe and gave them a little "taste" even though I've only been there once. https://www.gofundme.com/f/50KSWnm Glen made the point with me at one point before "the time of COVID19" (on or off line, I'm not sure) that the "independent spirit" of *only* helping those you know or close to you is a little ??? (Narcissistic is my word). I still feel it is important to NOT *use* global/national/organized fundraisers as a way to appease guilt (and therefore responsibility). The pre-COVID city signs that went up trying to discourage panhandling on streetcorners were good for illuminating the paradoxes. I didn't *want* people to *feel the need to* stand on street corners and know that supporting local non-profits that help the the homeless and otherwise marginalized helps *most* of those folks... yet at the same time, it felt good in another way to hand out a set of chemical hand/toe-warmers, a bar of chocolate, and a couple of bucks to those with the fortitude, or the desperation, (or the entrepreneurial spirit) to stand on the corners. I don't have any answers... and this pandemic has offered the mixed blessing of forcing me to consider a lot of different questions. If my garden this year begins to produce, I think I'll be setting up a self-serve farm-stand at the top of my drive with three options: A) if you need some, takes some; B) if you can afford a few $$, drop it in the collection box; C) do someone you know in more need than you a solid... bring them some food or give *them* the $$ you would have left in the box. I may also use that "farm stand" as a way to gift away some the 2 cords of books I still have filling a covered trailer... like a "little library" but with a larger selection. "farm and book stand"? Meanwhile, I hope we all find more ways to be kind and "pay it forward, backward, and sideways". - Steve On 4/22/20 12:40 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: Ed, Thanks for your kind note. If you’ll dump a little change into “mine”, I will dump a little change into “yours”. I just think it’s way to help these folks feel that somebody has noticed what they are doing and is aware of what has happened to them. Thanks, Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:29 PM To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fundraiser by Christina Z. : Ohoris Staff Relief Fund Nick - Thanks for the link. Ohori's is not my goto, but I'm 100% with the spirit. I have had no traction on trying to extend this kind of help TO my regular go-tos. I am of a mind that at the very least, my weekly *tip* budget could go straight into the same pockets it used to with no harm to me... and as you point out, my entire luxury food/services budget could go that way as well. I'll check for other go-fund-me's in SFe and would love to hear from others who have discovered similar to yours here. - Steve To The Mother Church, As you know, I am addicted to coffee and particularly to coffee houses, and particularly to Ohori’s-next-to-Kaune’s, where I like to loll in the sunshine of a late afternoon like the flea-bitten old dog that I am. Over the years I have come to befriend and greatly admire the Barista’s of Santa Fe. They remind me of graduate students. Many of them are using barista work to make possible independent scholarship, artistic careers, and musical careers, pursued for the sheer love of it. So when the virus hit in March and many of them lost work, I tried to set up some sort of a fund to help them. But not being gig-economy type, I couldn’t see how to do it. Now, to my delight, one of the workers has set up a gofundme site. https://www.gofundme.com/f/ohoris-staff-relief-fund?utm_source=customer <https://www.gofundme.com/f/ohoris-staff-relief-fund?utm_source=customer&utm_medium=copy_link-tip&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet> &utm_medium=copy_link-tip&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet I am hoping that those of you who have shared my pleasure in dealing with these young folks will make some sort of a donation, if only as a token of your support. I am figuring it this way: I am saving about 7 – 10 dollars a day in latte’s and zucchini bread (AND lost three pounds). I figure that savings ought to go to them. It would be a great kindness to me if you would pitch in. All the best, Nick .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -. -.. -..-. -.. .- ... .... . ... 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