Nick, if you have not read Huxley, you should. It is a small book, well written, and very interesting. He is anti-idiosyncratic experiences.
Transcendental (oh how you hate that word) Humanists would assert that the only real experiences are those that are not idiosyncratic. davew On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, at 5:31 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Glen, > > Thanks. > > You often and rightly accuse me of overstating stuff, and I apologize if I am > about to do it again. But I think you are perhaps saying that there are no > idiosyncratic experiences? That an experience, to be an experience, has to be > repeated or shared or both. If so, I think I agree with you. And a very > strident position it would be if that were the position. I think many > humanists would assert that ONLY idiosyncratic experiences are real and that > it is upon the uniqueness of individual experience that we must focus. Hmmm! > > I feel that this thought is a genuine crowbar. > > . It's that protocol that carries the knowledge, not the internal experiences > or the particular toolchain used to execute the protocol. > > Can you pry some more things with it? > > Nick > > Nicholas Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > [email protected] > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <[email protected]> On Behalf Of u?l? ? > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:19 AM > To: FriAM <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Acid epistemology - Eric Help!!!! > > Right. I'm not at all bored with your conversation. But, to me, what/how we > know things has more to do with *repeated* invocation of thoughts/behaviors, > not unitary experiences. Being as "episodic" as I am, any single experience > is useless, meaningless nonsense. But a repeated experience acquires meaning. > I'm that way with names, too. People tell me their names and I forget them > immediately ... even if I use their name repeatedly right after I learn it. > But if I meet that person twice, three times, etc., then their name (the word > "Bob" or whatever) takes on meaning ... becomes grounded to that person. > > It seems so silly to talk about epistemology without requiring repeated > experiences. A one-off conversation with Brigham Young means nothing. But > repeated conversations means something. Granted, it's impossible to treat the > Nth experience accumulation without talking about how the 2nd experience > accumulates knowledge from the 1st experience. So, accounting for trust > transfer from your one-off conversation with BY to another person is > important. But what we're really after is the *accumulation*. Consideration > of the 1st experience is only in service to consideration of the 1000th or > the 10,000th. > > I suppose we *could* get there by talking about how to predictably *force* > Nick to have the same experience you had (of unicorns or whatever). But, > again, to do that, we'd have to talk about the science ... controlled > manipulation of behavior that has been shown to channel people such that they > have some experience. Attributing too much causal influence of the drug (or > any particular tool in the toolkit) ignores/discounts the objective, which is > the method, the process, the protocol. It's that protocol that carries the > knowledge, not the internal experiences or the particular toolchain used to > execute the protocol. > On 3/10/20 1:48 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > I don't think bored is a correct term. > > > > More interested in examples and arguments-tied-to-examples that are less > > fanciful than unicorns. > > -- > ☣ uǝlƃ > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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