Good point on time limit. I'll check my papers in storage in case they're there.
Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E. Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com <http://www.Ideatreelive.com> Knowledge Modeling www.RonPiano.com Blog <https://blog.ideatreelive.com> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 3:30 PM Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: > My understanding is the same as Steve’s, but I’d like to add that most of > these items can be overridden by other agreements such as NDA, non-compete, > etc. or the fine print in the work-for-hite agreement. Usually when I had > these agreements with employees, there was a time limit in the contract. > Check these if you still have them. > > --Barry > > On 2 Jul 2019, at 18:55, Stephen Guerin wrote: > > Not a lawyer / this is my understanding. > > Yes, the firm owns the copyright to the code and is a form of intellectual > property independent of patent. > > Copyright is owned by the author (or entity that had work-for-hire > agreements) at the moment of creation. > > As an author or someone that had access to proprietary information during > it's creation, you can not rewrite it in a different language or transfer > any knowledge to someone who is. it would violate the copyright. If an > independent person saw the product and wanted to re-implement the > functionality without access to the code or other proprietary information > they could do so in a "clean room design" process: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design > > -Stephen > _______________________________________________________________________ > CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com > 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 > office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828 > twitter: @simtable > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:13 PM Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> P.S. A more subtle question is what if I rewrote the formerly-patented >> application in a different language. Does a work-for-hire cover ideas? I >> think it does. >> >> Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E. >> Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com <http://www.Ideatreelive.com> Knowledge >> Modeling >> www.RonPiano.com >> Blog <https://blog.ideatreelive.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:11 PM Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think the patent, which is non-renewable, and the code implementing >>> the patent are two separate things. The first they lose rights over, but >>> the second is covered by a work-for-hire agreement since it could be used >>> internally, or even sold as a product by the corporation without patent. >>> But I could be wrong. >>> >>> Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E. >>> Founder, IdeaTreeLive.com <http://www.Ideatreelive.com> Knowledge >>> Modeling >>> www.RonPiano.com >>> Blog <https://blog.ideatreelive.com> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:06 PM Tom Johnson <t...@jtjohnson.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Would not the corporation have to renew the patent at some point? >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> ============================================ >>>> Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com >>>> Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA >>>> 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) >>>> *NM Foundation for Open Government* <http://nmfog.org> >>>> *Check out It's The People's Data >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Its-The-Peoples-Data/1599854626919671>* >>>> >>>> ============================================ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 3:55 PM Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was awarded a software patent 30 years ago while at a corporate >>>>> job. That patent has since expired, of course. I assume I signed a >>>>> work-for-hire agreement the first day on that job. >>>>> >>>>> Now that it's expired, I also assume the corporation still owns the >>>>> code, and so I'm not free to open source it. 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