On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 11:22:19PM -0600, Nick Thompson wrote: > Russell, > > > > THANK you. Courtesy of Google (and Dodgson) > > > > "Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe > impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. > "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes > I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." > > > > As for your second point, my understanding of materialism is, “Everything real > consists of matter and it’s relations. “ So, your crossed spear, a good > example > of a material relation, is consistent with diehard materialism. >
Yes - I think that is consistent with Chalmers' use. But contrast this with physicalism, or eliminative materialism, which denies any sort of existence to those relations. But such a materialism is both monist and dualist and emergentist. Those relations emerge from the matter, and are the dual aspect. Think of graph vertices and edges as being dual objects mathematically. BTW - what we normally think of as matter (eg chairs, tables and so on) are really more about relationships between charges - ie electromagnetic fields. The more you drill down into it, eg think about what an electron is, the more immaterial matter becomes, which is why I think Chalmers' materialist/immaterialist divide rather dissolves too. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Senior Research Fellow hpco...@hpcoders.com.au Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
