Figure B is how R&D works, and Figure A describes a good student. On 1/2/19, 2:32 PM, "lrudo...@meganet.net" <lrudo...@meganet.net> wrote:
Nick wrote, in relevant part, > This reminds me of the misuse of the "learning curve" > metaphor. People speak of a steep learning curve as something to be > feared. In fact, people who learn quickly have a steep learning curve. Behold, complete with ASCII art (so be ready to view this in a monospaced font, or forever hold your peace), an ancient USENET post of mine to alt.usage.english, from 1995 (!): ===begin=== Robert L Rosenberg (rros...@osf1.gmu.edu): >: A learning curve should be the graph of a non-decreasing function (time >: on the horizontal axis, knowledge of the topic on the vertical axis). A >: fast learner would have a generally steeper learning curve than a slow >: learner. At least that's the way I've always pictured it. kci...@cpcug.digex.net (Keith Ivey) writes: >I agree that this makes sense, but it doesn't seem to correspond with >the way the phrase is used. In my experience, something that is hard >to learn is said to have a steep learning curve. Rosenberg's explanation not only makes sense, it accords with the original use by rat-runners and other operant conditioners (cf., e.g., _Psychology_ by James D. Laird and Nicholas S. Thompson, p. 164: "The ... steeper the curve, the faster the animal is learning"). More precisely, *during an interval of time where the curve is steep, the animal is learning quickly*. The present use is muddled; as Ivey points out, "something that is hard to learn is said to have a steep learning curve." Here's how I unmuddle it (but I don't know what, if anything, is going on in the heads of most people who use the phrase): by the Mean Value Theorem, or common intuition, if a (smooth) nondecreasing function f(t) with f(0)=0 and f(1)=1 is "steep" (has large derivative) somewhere, then it MUST be "flat" (have small derivative) somewhere else. Typical learning curves (I gather from the illustrations in Laird and Thompson) look either like Figure A or like Figure B: x o x x o x x o x o o o x o FIGURE A FIGURE B In the first case, you learn almost everything in a short period of time near the beginning of the training, then reach a plateau and learn the rest very slowly. In the second case, you learn very slowly for a long time, then take off near the end of the training. So the question is reduced to another one: which of Figures A and B is a "steep" curve to the average speaker? Lee Rudolph ===end=== ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove