I agree. Purpose imputation is fideistic. >8^D On October 26, 2018 12:24:39 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: >Call me old-fashioned. I don't think it means anything to claim >understanding of a system unless one can take it apart and put it back >together; it is what design requires. There are a lot of systems one >can’t understand at that level, either because they don’t yield to >reduction or because one is either not allowed or equipped to take a >wrench to them. With those systems, one can only play prediction >games and ideas about function are just stories people tell themselves >to keep from going mad! > > > >On 10/26/18, 1:03 PM, "Friam on behalf of uǝlƃ ☣" ><friam-boun...@redfish.com on behalf of geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Well, to be fair, Nick launched the thread with the meaning of >"function" that includes teleology. And Rosen's whole shtick is an >attempt to address what it means to leave purpose out of science. But >Rosen's formulation of anticipation does identify the temporal part of >construction. And he does it in a cool way by talking about how a >system can "model" it's goal state ... so that vision of the goal state >kindasorta simulates reverse causation where the (expectation of the) >future guides the past. > > > >I don't think that scaffolding relates to anticipation if it's created >and maintained by *others*. Anticipation is a kind of >self-scaffolding, maybe. > > > > On 10/26/18 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> It seems like teleology has been introduced by the word >/scaffolding/. I'm not sure how that is useful unless it is just an >observation that there are components that tend to be introduced >earlier in the development of an organism. > > > > > > -- > > ☣ uǝlƃ > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
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