Thanks, Carter! I really want to like that article. And my apophenia suggests it's addressing the prevalence of childish attitudes like Randian Objectivism in tech circles. But my one complaint about the article is the naive conception of submission. Like every other attribute of a complex phenotype, submission and its causes are both robust and polyphenic. One can submit in N dimensions and dominate in M dimensions, which is why we see so much _snark_ amongst dorks and wonks ... like we see among the sophisticates in the Country Mouse trope.
I would submit that many, if not ALL, of us are crypto-submissive or even false-submissive as in the humility topos. I know my Christian neighbor, who wears his submission to Christ on his sleeve, is secretly seething with hatred. I can't tell if he feels trapped (with a full belly and God the Father's boot on his neck) or if he's a crypto- or false submissive, where his "charitable works" are really expressions of dominance, given his very patriarchical family structure. Also, given the other thread re: emminence and authority, I think it's pretty easy to disambiguate local vs. global esteem. So, here too, Vassar relies on ambiguity for his rhetoric. When someone says "what do you care what other people think" or "they tend to garden in contented obscurity", it makes some sense to ask whether they mean _all_ other people or just some subset of other people? I'd argue that, even amongst this crowd, if the right, particular, person expresses a negative opinion of them, they'll show that they do care what _that_ person thinks. So, sure, it's not a distinction in kind. But it's a very real distinction in degree. Different people have differently-sized networks. And for each of N or M dimensions, their networks can be differently sized and be mediated by different types of relations (e.g. submission or dominance). It's a good article, though, regardless. On 05/10/2017 04:41 PM, Carter Charbonneau wrote: > https://www.edge.org/response-detail/23876 On 05/10/2017 10:04 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > it is important to note that there could be people who don't fear for their > safety but also don't despair of achieving love or belonging. They tend to > a garden in contented obscurity. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
