On 06/10/2016 09:05 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They wouldn't do a Mars One (one way) trip. They are thriving in this > environment. Only `weird' people would do that. There are other options > for people that are willing to take risks. But in Elysium case, yes.
That's a good point. But it gets a bit muddied when considering other forms of "leaving", like installing more memory in your head, cognitive enhancing drugs, designer babies, etc. "Organic" food is similar. I suspect the Trumps, Thiels, etc. _will_ do everything they can to leave the rest of us behind, because they see us as parasitic parts of the "we". Even if some of them (Gates, Musk, Branson) have a more generous bent, their attention is limited in the same way everyone else's is. They simply won't spend the time required to understand, say, the role an oxy-addicted instagram addict plays in the "we". My main point with the machine vs. life severability concept was that, in any of these types of "leaving", if we don't take the whole system, then it will go wonky. A great example of "taking all of us when we go" is ISIS. Social media has (I think) transformed us quite a bit. And we brought ISIS right along with us on the transition. The alt-right and neo-reactionaries are the same. What would otherwise be an obvious (small) collection of morons without social media has become part of the existential threat (in part, provided with a recruitment pathway to/through Trump): http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/09/3786370/students-for-trump-psu/ Like it or not, those jerks are part of us and we will take them with us as we evolve. -- ☣ glen ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
