Boys and Girls!
I feel sad to be leaving this conversation just as it is heating up
(this one and the one on the Iowa Markets predicting Obama well above
Romney) but I'm likely to drop out for several reasons, some fun, some
not so much.
On my way out of the conversation (hit and run), I'd like to thank Bruce
for correcting my goofy errors in timing and identity re: Pueblo Revolt
and DeVargas/Onate, etc. I suppose I could fact check my rants and
raves a little better... in any case, I thank Bruce for fixing that up
for me and doing it in a polite and respectful way...
I have plenty opinions (and tedious anecdotes) about several things said
here, but I just don't have the bandwidth to blurt them out (much less
do some fact checking before hitting send)!
I *do* second Pamela's kudos to Tory on her comments (having just
watched my vegetarian daughter stoicly crush and dispose of a cochroach
just now). I'm also with Tory and want to hear the colorly insightful
perspective we used to get from Vlad. I hope he's just napping, not
fallen off the planet!
Also, I remember saying I didn't want to be political because despite
what feels like a disproportionate number of Lefties (the risk of
yuppiness and academia?), I know we have some pretty staunch righties
too. A lot of folks here live most of their time in their heads so
I'd not be surprised if there werent a few more staunch ???XXXYYzzz... s
here roughly anarcho-libertarian-independent ??? which I paint myself
and Doug with BTW. Doug and I seem to agree on a lot (including the
taste of various distilled spirits), excepting I don't have an axe to
grind with Joseph Smith (no relation) or his followers.
I'm not completely sure I think Peggy understood my point, but I was
glad to hear her thinking this was a good conversation... I'm enjoying
the sound of the hornets buzzing as well! (I suspect *this* is a
mischaracterization of Peggy's comments!).
Carry on!
- Steve
I draw everyone's attention to the widely unknown fact that violence
in the world has drastically diminished, which is something to be
celebrated (and extended). See the Stephen Pinker book "The Better
Angels of our Nature". To give just one striking example that he
cites, only a few hundred years ago the murder rate per year per
100,000 people in England was several hundred, but now it is ONE
murder! The huge fall in violence of all kinds has gone mostly
unnoticed in part because news reports concentrate on violence,
leaving the impression that violence has if anything increased.
Pinker also reviews the extensive scholarship devoted to trying to
understand the causes of this huge change.
Bruce
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Alfredo Covaleda
<[email protected]> wrote:
Of course I was kidding. Doctrine is maybe the term that I like the less.
We, the human kind, need more objectivity, more generosity and less
fundamentalisms; but naturally it is an utopia to think that doctrines will
not rule the world. Societies will continue fighting because of ethnicity,
religion and politics. Doctrine makes us different and is the argument
behind the struggle for the power and the perfect excuse to do what humans
like the most: to make the war. What a savage and pitiful specie is the Homo
Sapiens!!.
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