Thanks Roger, interesting paper.  

I have always been fascinated at the relationship between the language of a 
mathematics and corresponding science that can be described with it.

--joshua

On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:43 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

> http://geocalc.clas.asu.edu/pdf/OerstedMedalLecture.pdf
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Owen Densmore <[email protected]> wrote:
> Integers, Rationals, Reals .. these scalars seemed to be enough for quite a 
> while.  Addition, subtraction, multiplication, division all seemed to do well 
> in that domain.
> 
> But then came the embarrassing questions that involved the square root of 
> negative quantities and the brilliant "invention" of complex numbers (a + bi) 
> where i = √-1 which allows the fundamental theorem of algebra .. i.e. that a 
> polynomial of degree n has n roots .. but the roots must be allowed to be 
> complex.
> 
> The obvious question is "what next"?  I.e. if we look at complex numbers at 
> 2-tuples with a peculiar algebra, shouldn't we expect 3-tuples and more that 
> are needed for operations beyond polynomial equations?
> 
> This led me to think of linear algebra .. after all, there we are comfortable 
> with n-tuples and we can apply any algebra we'd like to them (likely limiting 
> them to be fields).
> 
> Wikipedia shows this:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_numbers#Matrix_representation_of_complex_numbers
> which illustrates an interesting job of integrating complex numbers into 
> matrix form, not surprising 2x2, although the matrices are the primitives in 
> this algebra, not 2-tuples.
> 
> 3D transforms do get us into quaternions which wikipedia 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_numbers#Generalizations_and_related_notions
> considers a generalization of complex numbers.
> 
> So the question is: are there higher order numbers beyond complex needed for 
> algebraic operations? Naturally n-tuples show up in linear algebra, over the 
> fields N,I,Q,Z and C.  But are there "primitive" numbers beyond C that linear 
> algebra, for example, might include?
> 
> What's next?  And what does it resolve?
> 
>    -- Owen
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