Glenn,

We're all muddling through, that seems to be the point. The question of course 
is, who is willing to admit it. :) I'm extremely skeptical of characters like 
this Loeb dude who pretend not to be. Isn't his statement simply yet another 
attempt of many to resurrect Positivism? Given that science as practiced today 
is pretty much a poorly disguised shrine to Positivism, that leaves me 
wondering, like you I think, what Lima-de-Faria is now offering besides a more 
bedazzling / befuddling version of mechanics über alles.

"Scientifically, what we really need is a particular concrete multi-scale 
situation that's determined at the lower scale and indeterminate at the higher 
scale. The trouble is that our best and smallest scale theory (quantum 
mechanics) also alows the dual. In some ways, it's deterministic and in other 
ways it simply circumscribes the wiggle room for the mysterious mechanisms 
underneath. "

I'm going to argue very strongly that it is undetermined at *all* scales. The 
more one studies complex systems the more one sees that what we thought were 
clear theories established on the basis of next scale down knowledge are in 
fact approximations that inevitably miss some of the richness that only reveals 
its depth at the scale we're currently studying. What a relief when contrasted 
to the dark vision of LaPlace et.al.! I've written a bit more (too much really) 
on this general theme here: 
http://milesparker.blogspot.com/2009/10/tale-of-two-conferences.html

keep on muddling!

Miles

On Feb 22, 2010, at 8:31 AM, glen e. p. ropella wrote:

> 
> More amateur considerations of Lima-de-Faria's "Evolution without
> Selection".  I'd appreciate any clarifying comments.
> 
> http://ropella.net/~gepr/archives/2010/02/22/autoevolutionism/index.html
> 
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