Glen,

..clip
> You can stay in the system. Then there's only symbols. Whoever said
> that
> it was allowed to go outside the symbols?
> 
> And if you analyze one formal system on a higher level formal system,
> then, there again, only symbols.
> 
> Everything else is philosophy (this is barebones formalism I am
> advocating here - but then again - why not? you have to give reasons
> for
> assuming more).

[ph] Yes that's the key step, having a reason to assume more so that a
process of looking for it is justified.   You can't confirm things outside
your syntax without looking for them and finding them. Otherwise you just
have fiction.  But having clues to where to look for things that are
discoverable is a reliable procedure for going beyond your current model.

Phil



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