-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Günther Greindl on 11/21/2007 04:48 PM: > So you probably won't even support sup/inf hierarchy, I gather; I'm no > Relativity pundit - do you think that follows from SR or is it a > philosophical view?
It's somewhere in between. But I don't derive the principle from SR. I derive it from everyday experience. I tend to believe that any measure (including relative ones like ordering and sup/inf) are mere aspects of the underlying relations. So, it's not that I don't support hierarchy. To the contrary, I assume every actual system has an inherent "hierarchicability" (following the word "extensibility") with respect to any observer(s). In other words, a system can be projected onto any ordering, depending on the attributes imputed by the projection. No single ordering will tell us much about the system because (assuming it's accurate) it only shows us one aspect (interpretation, usage) of the system. In order to make a claim that we've identified a cause-effect graph, we have to make several (in some cases infinite) projections based on various imputed attributes. >> Such distinctions do NOT require one to consider [in]determinism. But, >> they do require one to consider historical accumulation and canalization >> of causes, i.e. where and how ignorance (particularly of "negligible" >> influences e.g. events very FAR away in space or time) affects causality. > > Ok, I see what you mean - but just to be careful with terminology: I > guess you mean "affects the process under investigation causally" and > not "affects causality" (last two words above paragraph) > Former interpretation: we agree. Latter interpretation: we should > discuss ;-)) Hmmm. At first blush, I'd say I agree with _both_ phrasings. I'd say (weakly) that ignorance -affects the process under investigation causally-. And I'd say (strongly) that ignorance -affects causality-. How do those phrases make a difference to you? - -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-219-3846, http://tempusdictum.com The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced. -- Frank Zappa -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSrMwZeB+vOTnLkoRAnBEAKDUVstCXsAVcclg8ASwwkT7B3peXACeLKzm uExfuxs71G/8vLHcUXzu2fM= =02+D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
