I found one, JOSEPH LEDOUX, a neurologist who observed we not only can't determine whether animals are conscious, we can't demonstrate whether humans are either. The point is more that the quality of our tests is way off the mark for many of our questions. In the dozen or so others it seemed like off hand opinions, like what we all were thrashing over in the dorm in college or after dinner for so many years.
Of course, you might even get that from me in a one-off opinion statement like they all were. I think the advantage of discussing deep threads of patterns with others who follow them is that you can get somewhere. I thought determining in the chat here that there seemed to be different kinds of homing devices what could be arranged to make a rough taxonomic scale of consciousness was an interesting result. > you know, I missed this when you first posted it, but this is pretty > interesting. > > On 7/19/06, Owen Densmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Many of the current discussions on neurons, conscienceless, the > > brain, computers etc are nicely addressed by the Edge's last Question: > > http://www.edge.org/q2005/q05_print.html > > > > They built a book out of several of the responses. > > > > -- Owen > > > > Owen Densmore > > http://backspaces.net - http://redfish.com - http://friam.org > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > -- > Giles Bowkett > http://www.gilesgoatboy.org > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > -- Phil Henshaw ¸¸¸¸.·´ ¯ `·.¸¸¸¸ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] explorations: www.synapse9.com ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
