Hi Andrew, the values I'm using are already mean centered --  similarly, I've 
never been able to use the full ICV values. Even with David's suggestion of  
reducing the number of digits (effectively making the numbers smaller), it 
still doesn't work...


Gabriella

From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of O'Shea,Andrew
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 1:55 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu; David Vazquez
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] qdec analysis with ICV

Try mean centering your ICV values (I.e. Subtract the mean value from each 
individual value). This has worked for me to bypass this error.
-Andrew

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 on behalf of "Hirsch, Gabriella" 
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Date: Friday, November 13, 2015 at 1:03 PM
To: David Vazquez <dvazq...@ucr.edu<mailto:dvazq...@ucr.edu>>
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Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] qdec analysis with ICV

Thanks for the suggestion David. I tried it but I still got the same error :/

Gabriella

From: David Vazquez [mailto:dvazq...@ucr.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:36 PM
To: Hirsch, Gabriella
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] qdec analysis with ICV


Hi Gabriella.

I'm not an expert, but I've had this problem too.  Reduce the number of digits 
for ICV by converting it be cm^3 instead of mm^3. Also get rid of some decimal 
places.  It works for us.

Good luck.
-David

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015, 8:10 AM Hirsch, Gabriella 
<gabriella_hir...@meei.harvard.edu<mailto:gabriella_hir...@meei.harvard.edu>> 
wrote:
Hi Freesurfer Experts,

I am hoping someone can help me solve this error I'm experiencing while 
conducting a simple qdec analysis. I have 4 subjects (3 vs 1) that I am trying 
to analyze for volume differences using a demeaned ICV as a nuisance factor 
(see attached fsgd file - note I changed the .dat extension as my email server 
didn't like the dat format).

However, I am getting this error:

Normalized matrix condition is 1e+08
Design matrix ------------------
 0.000   1.000   0.000  -28915.199;
 0.000   1.000   0.000   194736.703;
 0.000   1.000   0.000  -184311.000;
 1.000   0.000   18489.000   0.000;
--------------------------------
ERROR: matrix is ill-conditioned or badly scaled, condno = 1e+08
--------------------------------
Possible problem with experimental design:
Check for duplicate entries and/or lack of range of
continuous variables within a class.
If you seek help with this problem, make sure to send:
  1. Your command line:
    mri_glmfit --y 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/y.mgh --fsgd 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/qdec.fsgd dods 
--glmdir /media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled --surf 
fsaverage rh --label 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/fsaverage/label/rh.aparc.label --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Avg-Intercept-volume.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Avg-volume-ICV-Cor.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Diff-CVI-PVL-Intercept-volume.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Diff-CVI-PVL-Cor-volume-ICV.mat
  2. The FSGD file (if using one)
  3. And the design matrix above
Error in Analyze: command failed: mri_glmfit --y 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/y.mgh --fsgd 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/qdec.fsgd dods 
--glmdir /media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled --surf 
fsaverage rh --label 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/fsaverage/label/rh.aparc.label --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Avg-Intercept-volume.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Avg-volume-ICV-Cor.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Diff-CVI-PVL-Intercept-volume.mat
 --C 
/media/seagate_external_/freesurfer_subjects/qdec/Untitled/contrasts/rh-Diff-CVI-PVL-Cor-volume-ICV.mat

There are no duplicate entries. I have done this same analysis with a higher 
number of subjects without problems. I have also tried using the inbuilt qdec 
ICV (which is not demeaned) and got the same error. Could this be a problem 
with the small subject count? If so, is there any way to remedy it?

Thank you!
Gabriella


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