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On 01/28/2014 03:35 PM, Natasha Haris wrote: > So then how does one determine what should go into the Threshold min > box? (If it's usually p<0.05 should the clusterwise corrected > Threshold min be 1.3?) > > Natasha > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > On 01/28/2014 03:26 PM, Natasha Haris wrote: > > Oops sorry! > > I guess my question then is, after running the monte carlo > simulation with this cluster-forming threshold (p<0.01), is > there a specific corrected (clusterwise) threshold I can/am > supposed to place in the Threshold min box? Or are these two > not related in any way. > > They are not related. The clusterwise threshold is what you would > use when you go to convince a reviewer that the effect is > significant. Usually, this is .05. > > > Natasha > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote: > > > Hi Natasha, please remember to post to the list! When you > say a > different set of blobs, do you mean that none of the original > blobs are there? Or do some of the blobs just disappear? > Note that > the threshold you use in the simulation is not related to the > "Threshold Min". In this case, the Threshold Min is the > corrected > threshold (clusterwise). The threshold used in the > simulation is > the "cluster forming threshold" > > doug > > > > > > > On 01/28/2014 02:51 PM, Natasha Haris wrote: > > Thank you! Additionally, after running the clusterwise > Monte > carlo simulation with p<0.01 I get a blob. After > placing this > value in the threshold min box I get a different set > of blobs > on my image. Why is this? > > Natasha > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>> wrote: > > > Yes, when looking at the corrected images, the > Threshold Min > because the clusterwise threshold. So if you want > to see only > clusters that have a clusterwise p<.05, set that > threshold > to 1.3 > > doug > > > > > > > On 01/28/2014 02:24 PM, Natasha Haris wrote: > > The clusterwise simulation runs with a p<0.05 > threshold value > and a blob appears. However, am I supposed to > enter this > threshold value corresponding to p<0.05 > (namely 1.3) > into the > box labeled threshold min= ? > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> > > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>>>> wrote: > > > On 01/24/2014 11:54 AM, Natasha Haris wrote: > > Dear Freesurfers, > > > > I am slightly confused about the monte carlo > simulation. > > > > First off, I only find a blob when I run > the p<0.05 > threshold > level and don't see anything else when I run > simulations > with p > less than that. What does this mean? > Which threshold level? > clusterforming/voxelwise or > clusterwise? If > clusterwise, then it just means that you > have a > cluster > whose p > value is > just under .05 so you lose it by going to > a more > stringent > threshold. > > > > Additionally, when I click on any > question of > interest after > running this p<0.05 simulation (for ex. > "Does the > average > thickness, accounting for Group, differ > between > male and > female?" > I get the same blobs that I found before I > ran this > precomputed > simulation. Is the simulation not running > correctly? Am I > supposed > to enter this threshold value (1.3) into > the area > marked > Threshold > min= and max=5. > Are you sure it is exactly the same? Look > to see > if there > are some > very > small blobs that disappear. 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