Does that work in EDIT with a document open?

If so, is that on real hardware or a virtual machine?

I have never had that key combo work in Edit on perhaps a dozen different old computers.

On 3/5/2016 4:18 PM, Don Flowers wrote:
R ALT-X works for me on a 2014 Acer Aspire E5 Laptop.
I wonder if the root of this issue is that there no longer seems to be a keyboard standard (as we knew it in DOS); where TSRs were the norm.

I have several TSR programs connected to either Left Shift or Left CTRL and my favorite TSR (PC-OUTLINE) with a <CTRL /> only works in DOS 3.31 or below. All I get now is an echo of the key combination with that one. All of my other TSR programs are functional except Collins dictionary and I have a work-around for it with WPShell and WP60.


On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 2:26 PM, John Hupp <free...@prpcompany.com <mailto:free...@prpcompany.com>> wrote:

    Ever since I moved from MS-DOS to FreeDOS years ago, I have been
    annoyed
    by some R-Alt key behavior.  (This is on a US ANSI-layout keyboard.)

    The classic illustration was in Edit, where I couldn't R-Alt+X to
    exit.

    But my touch-typing technique for a L-Alt+X would be left index finger
    on L-Alt, plus left ring finger on X.  Nearly impossible!! Other key
    combinations were awkward at best.

    And as I noted in another post recently, the mouse pointer in Edit is
    nearly invisible on the machine I'm currently working with, so
    mouse-instead-of-keyboard wasn't a decent solution either.

    But after another dive into this issue, I now notice this:

    - Even in Edit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt with no document open.
    - In SetEdit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
    - In FreeDOS Help, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
    - In DOOM, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.

    I'm now thinking that in DOS, the kernel's keyboard input method
    probably consists of rather simply reading the BIOS keyboard
    buffer, and
    absent the intervention of a running DOS keyboard driver, it is
    probably
    up to each program to decide how to process key combinations.

    If that's the case, then it's probably just FreeDOS Edit (and
    perhaps a
    few other programs) that will annoy me this way.

    Can anyone confirm or deny this understanding?

    [By the way, I also looked at running KEYB with a customized US.KEY
    layout, but it looks like US.KEY only customizes a handful of keys and
    key combinations, leaving the rest to whatever the default keyboard
    handling is.  To make R-Alt act like L-Alt across the board, I would
    have to create MANY lines in the k858 look-up table, specifying what
    happens for R-Alt+A, R-Alt+B, R-Alt+C, etc.  And it might be that
    program handling of key combinations could still override that -- I
    don't know.]

    
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