On 6/14/06, John Hupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Granted to all: This feedback for the oZone developer may be a bit > off-topic, unless it reveals any FreeDOS issues. Though I imagine that DOS > GUI's may be of general interest here.) > > Flo, > > I looked at oZone 0.6 some. My first questions/observations while *running > it on a pure FreeDOS machine with DOSLFN loaded*: > > 1) I take it that CWSDPMI is not required when FreeDOS EMM386 is loaded and > providing whatever DPMI support it has. True? (I did not notice any > difference when I loaded CWSDPMI first.) > > 2) It takes a long time to load, about 25 seconds on this Pentium 100 with > 16 MB. (DOSSHELL loads in 2-3 seconds.) Should it take that long to load? > > 3) It is a much more modern and pleasing looking interface than DOSSHELL. > > 4) The Console did not work for me. The window appeared, but I could not > enter anything. > > 5) Copy-and-paste would not work for me in Navigateur. I tried to copy a > LFN file from floppy to the C drive. With the file selected, nothing > appeared when I clicked the Edit menu. I right-clicked on the file and got > a popup menu that let me select Copy, but in the folder on C, when I > right-clicked, the popup menu did not show Paste, nor did the Edit menu show > anything.
The LFN-related problems are because the programs you used don't support LFNs, not because DOSLFN isn't doing its job. There are different DOS interrupts required to access long filenames. > 6) DOSLFN observations (from the command prompt, not in oZone): > a) I entered MD "DOS Games" and successfully created a directory. But > CD "DOS Games" does not work. The directory created is DOS GAME (an > 8-character name) and must be referenced that way. DIR /LFN reports the > directory name as DOS GAME, not DOS GAMES. So it seems like DOSLFN does not > support long directory names. > b) I entered EDIT "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN" and entered a command > line, saved and exited. When I EDIT "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN" again, > it opens the file, so LFN support seems good on that point. But DIR /LFN > displays FLIGHT O.LN, so it fails to report a LFN created under its own > driver. > c) On the other hand, it properly reports a LFN created under Windows XP > and not edited or otherwise operated on under FreeDOS, just doing a DIR /LFN > A: for a floppy where I had copied a LFN file from Win XP. > > 7) I could not figure out how to create program folders or items from within > oZone, but poked around and found that folders created in OZONE\SYSTEM\MENU > become program folders, and .LN files are program items - simple command > lines as far as I could see. > > 8) In accord with my observations in (6), "Flight Of The Amazon Queen.LN" > was rendered as a short-name program item named FLIGHT O. > > --John Hupp > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Florian Xaver > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 12:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions > > > Hi, > > ok - I see I have to update my website :-) > > I am using FreeDOS and Enhanced Dr-DOS with DOSLFN, a very good LFN > driver for DOS (I mean Win32 long file name implementation!). oZone is a > DJGPP program, so it uses LFN if a LFN driver is present. Else it uses > short file names (not tested by me, but I think it will make some > problems (but it should be configurable to use only short file names). > > I don't see any reason, why you wouldn't want to use the LFN driver. And > then you can work without problems... copy, rename, move etc. inside of > oZone! It includes a navigator, which is like the "explorer" of Windows. > The test version at my page hasn't a sorted (by name, size etc.) file > list and directory tree, the next version will have a sorted list, so > oZone should be really useable as a file manager. > > Sorry for my bad English... > > bye > flo > > PS: a mouse driver like CTMOUSE needs to be installed! > > > > John Hupp wrote: > > Yes, I see that I need to clarify. This is for a pure FreeDOS system. > > FreeDOS does not have native support for LFN, correct? I could perhaps > > run > > a LFN driver, but I don't know how much native support FreeDOS has for > > LFN. > > If you do some FreeDOS operation on a file that the LFN driver has named > > (move, copy, xcopy, chkdsk), will it strip the LFN? Or worst case, mess > > up > > the file/directory structure trying to interpret what the LFN driver has > > done? > > > > The approach that MS-DOS DOSSHELL takes is to offer long Program Item > > names > > or descriptions that display in the Program Manager, but the underlying > > DOS > > file is untouched. The long name is maintained only in DOSSHELL.INI. > > > > The DOSSHELL approach is fine for my purposes at the moment, but I'd like > > to > > see a more graphical-looking interface. > > > > So that was my question about oZone. When you say that oZone supports > > LFN, > > do you mean the Win32 long file name implementation? > > > > --John Hupp > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Florian Xaver > > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions > > > > > > Hi, > > > > what do you mean with long names for program items? oZone supports LFN > > (long file names), so there should be no problem :-) > > > > bye > > Flo > > > > John Hupp wrote: > >> I couldn't tell from the screen shots or descriptions if the oZone > >> desktop > >> currently supports creating long names for program items. I would like > >> the > >> program manager to display "Flight Of The Amazon Queen", for instance, > >> and > >> not just FOTAQ. > >> > >> --JDH > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Florian Xaver > >> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > >> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:00 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] DOS GUI opinions > >> > >> > >> John Hupp wrote: > >>> I'm looking for opinions on DOS GUI's. I'm familiar with > >>> still-developing > >>> OpenGEM, but I am especially interested in any freeware/open source > >>> GUI's > >>> that provide for long names for program items (like MS-DOS DOSSHELL but > >>> with > >>> a more modern look). Also your judgment of the GUI's file manager, > >>> stability and resource consumption. Task switching is nice, especially > >>> if > >>> stable, but that's a secondary concern. > >> A very cool GUI is oZone ;-)))))) It includes a file manager (navigator) > >> and is a "modern" GUI with Skin support. Feedback is welcome everytime > >> ;-) > >> > >>> An off-hand related thought: Is anyone using Arachne as a primary GUI? > >>> If > >>> so, the same kinds of questions apply about its shell support. > >> I am using as HTML/Help viewer in DOS. The GUI is very good for a > >> browser, but not so good for a general GUI. > >> > >> Bye > > > > -- > Florian Xaver <http://www.flox.at.tf> > > Dr-DOS Wiki <http://www.drdos.org> > oZone-a GUI operating system for DOS,Linux,Win > SWORD-a nice GUI library for DOS/DJGPP > <http://www.flox.at.tf> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- Fall is my favorite season in Los Angeles, watching the birds change color and fall from the trees. David Letterman (1947 - ) See ya _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
