Hi!
20-Апр-2006 00:33 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johnson Lam) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
>> >>Completely incorrect. If you release something under GNU GPL license
>> >>you cannot revoke that license. "The GNU General Public License is
>> >>intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change free software--to
>> >>make sure the software is free for all its users." The license can only
>> >>be selectively revoked if people break the terms contained inside the
>> >>license.
JL> The situation is a bit complex, I'm not going to judge because I don't
JL> know the "law" thing, but I'll try to explain and you can judge
JL> yourself.
JL> 1) Jack don't want to let people think his work is "a part of
JL> FreeDOS",
"Part of FreeDOS" is an kernel and utilities, which are clone MS-DOS
utilities and _officially_ devoted to FreeDOS. If some 3rd party utility or
package (like OpenGEM) is distributed in some distro, based on FreeDOS,
doesn't automatically mean, that this utility is "part of FreeDOS".
JL> he didn't ask ALL the people to remove the XDMA source, just
JL> don't want it on FreeDOS server
There is no "FreeDOS server", there is FreeDOS site, which shows links
to many utilities, which usually reside or mirrored on ibiblio (where
reside not only FreeDOS related packages). Placing utility on ibiblio or
mentioning it on FreeDOS site doesn't mean its becoming "part of FreeDOS".
JL> 2) He didn't limit anyone to use the XDMA source, you can get a copy
JL> anywhere and modify it, he allow
So what the point?
JL> 3) Jim Hall insist he have the right to host the XDMA, I agree GPL
JL> grant the right to distribute the source and the binary, but I explain
JL> to Jim Hall that if he insist, Jack will "take action" to reflect his
JL> dissatisfy, finally because Jim Hall still keep the XDMA on Ibiblio
JL> server, Jack stop release update XDMA, he change the program name,
JL> change the license and closed the source
As already pointed by Eric, Jake may be dissatisfied (or disappeared)
by any reason, and if we will not make mirror of his work, we may lost it.
Mirroring is a great feature of free licenses!
JL> The final result is no one have the source, the author have the right
JL> to do anything, GPL is a right which grant by the author, now the
JL> author want his work "independent" by removing it from a certain
JL> place, is it conflicting with GPL?
Yes. GPL means non-limited possibility to redistribute.
21-Апр-2006 01:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Johnson Lam) wrote to
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net:
JL> Some people always insist Jack violate GPL, he was just ask Jim to
JL> remove it, he didn't FORCE Jim to remove it, and Jim did keep it until
JL> now.
"Ask" and "force" in given case are equal.
JL> Since Jim didn't respect Jack's will, so he terminate the XDMA
JL> project, that's the whole story.
And this is unwise decision, IMHO.
JL> Then I assume Jack misunderstand Ibilblio server equal to official
JL> FreeDOS hosting site.
This is not sole Jack's misunderstanding, as I see.
>> >>Whatever his reasons are, I still disagree with his wish to punish
>> >>the world (he wanted that nobody can see XDMA sources anymore) because
>> >>he is unhappy with a few people of FreeDOS.
JL> Then you're totally wrong, close the source CAN punish anyone,
Yes, sources closing is an punishement - and this is punishement for
all, including author. And Eric not wrong, he right.
JL> what kind of logic is it?
Logic is that
- there is losted to contribute to project from other peoples;
- there is losted possibility to continue project, if author disappear or
tired by project;
- there is losted to get better program knowledge;
etc, etc, etc.
JL> He was totally responsible to his work, if someone change it without
JL> updating the document, then distriibute the corrupted binary to user,
JL> and "fortunately" they lost their "priceless" data because of the
JL> corrupted driver and blame Jack, he will be the victim!
Another misunderstanding. First, reread license - Eric already quote
you place from GPL, related to this question. Second, if someone complains
about modified version, then Jack always may require to download latest
edition from his site. And last, no one can prevent modifying exxecutables
directly (by hackers).
JL> That's why he try to minimize the distribution to avoid this kind of
JL> tragedy happen,
This decision does _not_ avoids "tragedies".
>> >>That's not professional. Even though he might be a very
>> >>professional programmer, it is hard to deal with him personally.
JL> You never sit in his position and think, try to reverse you and him: A
JL> guy send email to others explain my work, but in his interpretation
JL> and some of the information was wrong, and he did critize my work "not
JL> smart enough"! He even don't know how the driver work, and why I
JL> design it, he even challenge me without a better code!
World is imperfect and there is always exist impolite peoples. This is
not reason to kill yourself (or punish others) because this.
JL> What do you do then something happened below:
JL> He alter my program without telling me or update the document, then
JL> send the altered program to a user, if that user corrupted the data
JL> because of the program, who will be the target? Me!
No. Wrong understanding.
JL> Who was responsible? Who will take care of the consquences?
No one, unfortunately.
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