Again, +1 to adding it to FreedomBox, it's a cool project. All I'm saying is.. - Unlike everything else on the FreedomBox, running a blockchain node on it doesn't immediately do anything for the user. - Don't be too over-confident in any particular technology and its consequences. Everything, including Ethereum and other blockchain projects, has its upsides and risks. - I've heard one of the core Ethereum contributors disapprove of projects like FreedomBox. Some ideas around blockchains are so much "one step ahead" that personal servers don't even play a role in them anymore.
Markus On 11/15/2015 03:32 PM, Nick B-T wrote: > > On 15/11/15 12:00, [email protected] > wrote: >> Ethereum is a fascinating project, however, what exactly do you >> mean by "it is likely to be an indispensable element of >> FreedomBox"? > I mean that ethereum will do so much of the heavy lifting that > Freedombox set out to do that Ethereum will be the "killer app" > > >> Yes, your FreedomBox could be running an Ethereum node. And/or a >> Bitcoin full node. There's another project called Bitseed >> <https://bitseed.org/> which is already doing that. > The thing is that Ethereum is a world computer. > It is not about mining in the bitcoin sense. > It is about decentralised and distributed trusted computing. > Nodes do not need to mine hashes (or wont once things are ironed out) > but if every instance enhances the system as a whole. > >> Unlike everything else on FreedomBox, running a blockchain full >> node doesn't have any immediate benefit for an average user! > See above >> It's true and a quite cool thought that you're helping the project, >> and you can be part of the blockchain network by doing this, yes. >> OTOH, running a blockchain node on a tiny box is pretty much >> irrelevant for the larger network, given the existence of huge >> mining pools. > In deed the Bitcoin architecture is repulsive from a distributed > decentralization point of view (as mining pools and ASICs illustrate) > but the Ethereum project is not about cryptographic scarcity it is > about computational abundance. > > I could not hope to describe the project better than this talk > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34RfEodTn_w&feature=youtu.be&t=1h27m24s at > DevCon1 (the speaker is not charismatic like Eben Moglen but) if you > are like me the message will give you goose bumps of joy. > The talk is a high level overview of the future of distributed everything. > >> Another option (either as an alternative to running a full node, or >> in addition to running a full node), is to run blockchain-based >> apps on FreedomBox. E.g. you can have a Bitcoin wallet on the >> FreedomBox, or you can install what Ethereum calls "Dapps". >> >> +1 to adding Bitcoin and/or Ethereum to FreedomBox, just make sure >> you understand what it means. > If I understand evolution and game theory at all Ethereum is > unstoppable and is exactly aligned with what Freedombox wants to be. > It may well be that the Ethereum devs outflank Freedombox entirely but > you have done so much cool work that could cross over. > > At the very least the FreedomBox foundation should consider becoming a > DAO (Distributed Autonomous Organization) in partnership with the > Ethereum community. Sorry I've come over all evangelistic but I love > the Freedombox project and I want to see it blossom, just depends > where the seed lands I suppose.. > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss > _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
