I wanted to call out this one bit The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint. The > Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing-- > going to Facebook and Twitter. > There's no way out of this problem without educating people about > privacy.
If these boxes are public 'charge-points' and mesh wifi antennas found in every internet cafe, and every cafe and bar that wants to offer wifi; and in the apartments that surround said cafe's; perhaps even plugged into a car's power plug - they can just be the infrastructure of the internet rather than some special - super secret revolutionary's tool. The fact that it could foment and foster a revolution because its tools just happen to enable spying free communication... well that's just an awesome side-effect. No reason these shouldn't be Tor routers in addition to mesh network routers. Social networks with a small bit of local storage in addition to AP. People care - they just need an option that doesn't take away functionality they already get with Facebook and twitter - something that augments and works with them - that's much better. Brian Drake Austin Texas 512.850-6326 http://www.linkedin.com/in/brndrakeecoit Schedule a Meeting: http://tungle.me/briandrake On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Elena ``of Valhalla'' <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [Freedombox-discuss] Raining on the parade > > > > On 2012-06-25 at 21:10:12 +0200, Markus Sabadello wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Michiel de Jong > > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > > On 06/24/2012 11:07 PM, Sandy Harris wrote: > >> > >> [Hostile] regimes [would] stomp rather firmly on > >> > >> anyone they caught with a Box? > >> > that's actually a valid point i think. > >> Yes this is also what someone from the W3C told me a few days ago. He > >> said that the FreedomBox was overall a really bad idea and that > hardcore > >> activists would never use it, precisely for this reason. Not sure if I > > share > >> this opinion though :) > > > > one way to solve this problem is by making the freedombox useful > > also for non-activists > > > >> Yes definitely.. The FreedomBox was born out of Eben Moglen's vision to > >> liberate > >> us from the centralized Facebooks, Googles, etc. It is about having > data > >> under > >> our control, and about decentralized communication. My understanding is > >> that the > >> use case of political activism is of course important, but just a > subset of > >> the > >> FreedomBox idea. > > > > this. If everybody who has an use for a computer also has an use for > > a freedombox (e.g. to share his pictures with friends, or any > > other harmlessi activity) it is something useful in itself. > > If these tasks are done using strong cryptography (to stop > > the hackers) then an activist can use it knowing that it won't > > attract any more attention from the auctorities than using facebook > > or twitter does right now (except it will be safer for him). > > The activists are the ones sending data with a tor fingerprint. The > Everybodies are the ones doing what they were already doing-- > going to Facebook and Twitter. > > There's no way out of this problem without educating people about > privacy. For the average user, nearly everything they do on the web > is supported by the hypothesis that the data they provide about > themselves is worth more than the services provided to them. The > users know this and react by misjudging the value of their data-- > almost a direct quote from a Facebook member, "they know I click > 'like' on pictures of animals with captions on them." And I don't think > any of us can convince such users that doing so is dangerous without > knowing more about what Facebook and Google do with their data > (which is hidden), or making every user do a research project on > privacy so that they have the skills to understand that Moglen's > speeches aren't hyperbole. > > -Jonathan > > > -- > > Elena ``of Valhalla'' > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >
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