> On 30 Jun 2016, at 21:02, Ian Smith <smi...@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Felix, didn't notice you hadn't cc'd the list .. hoping you don't 
> mind if I do, might save someone else from responding .. cheers, Ian

Nope, that’s fine, I meant to but I forget all the time.

Alpine, mutt and other CLI mail clients manage to do it automatically, so I
wonder how the GUI clients have missed out…

- Felix

> 
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> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:52:43 +1000 (EST)
> From: Ian Smith <smi...@nimnet.asn.au>
> To: Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ath (AR9280) with nanoBSD
> 
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:28:54 +1000, Felix Friedlander wrote:
>>> On 30 Jun 2016, at 19:12, Ian Smith <smi...@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:51:40 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> It's there, it just doesn't show up in ifconfig anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> sysctl net.wlan.devices
>>>> 
>>>> if you create the interface (ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0) then
>>>> it'll show up!
>>> 
>>> Just curious .. why was it considered a good idea not to have ifconfig 
>>> show wireless interfaces?  Won't this make for ongoing such confusion?
>> 
>> As I understand it, it was to avoid duplication. You have to create a 
>> wlanN interface to use a wireless device, so you would end up with 
>> both athN and wlanN. Now ath (and every other wireless driver) donÿÿt 
>> directly appear in ifconfig, you only have one interface.
> 
> Ah, that sounds fair enough.  I expect there'll be something in 11.0 
> release notes about that.
> 
>> I believe there is a sysctl to list the hardware devices if you want.
> 
> I guess that might be net.wlan.devices :)
> 
> Ok, sorry for the side-track ..
> 
> cheers, Ian

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