M. Warner Losh wrote:
In message: <e39d3873-3f36-467a-b225-347a088b6...@gmail.com>
            Garrett Cooper <yanef...@gmail.com> writes:
: On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:36 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
: : > On Mar 1, 2009, at 7:20 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
: >
: >> On Mar 1, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Sam Leffler wrote:
: >>
: >>> Garrett Cooper wrote:
: >>>> device        ums        # Mouse
: >>>
: >>> This is why you cannot kldload. Not sure about any functional : >>> regression.
: >>>
: >>> Sam
: >>
: >> Yeah, well that message was printed out by another process : >> altogether while loading up the kernel after the ata subsystem was : >> brought up, so something's getting confused and trying to kldload : >> by accident... I was just reproducing the message.
: >>      I'll provide more data to prove this claim when I can.
: >> Thanks,
: >> -Garrett
: >
: > Here's the picture from my iPhone: <http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn159/yaneurabeya/?action=view&current=IMG_0032.png : > >. I OBVIOUSLY didn't do the kldload... and because my /boot/ : > loader.conf doesn't contain ums_load="YES", I'm really curious who : > the actual culprit is in rc.d land... : > I used to do WITHOUT_MODULES=* to not build modules, but I'm trying : > to move away from that mentality for some things like snd_emu10kx, : > but obviously there's a conflict somewhere for ums; hopefully it's : > merely cosmetic...
: > Thanks,
: > -Garrett
: : Ok, found the culprit. It turns out moused is being called from : devd... this is all probably related to the startup mess I reported 2 : weeks ago with my NIC. I'm seeing a lot of additional problems in : terms of keeping track of daemons; for instance syslogd is getting : started up twice, but the first instance isn't recording a PID and the : second one is dying because the first one is bound to the address. : Agh...

I didn't think that moused loaded anything.

And what do extra nics have to do with this?  I think you are
confusing multiple problems...

: Could we just unwind this rc.d mess? It seems to be causing issues : and wasn't very thoroughly tested before commit.

This is a little to vague to be actionable.  Do you have specific
instances?  Do you have rcorder output?  Etc...
I saw a similar problem today; if I have a wireless nic setup with

ifconfig_ath0="wlan0"
ifconfig_wlan0="WPA DHCP"

then two instances of wpa_supplicant are launched when I do

/etc/rc.d/netif start ath0

(you get log msgs from wpa_supplicant about not being able to setup the /var/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0 unix domain socket). Wasn't able to pin it down but it's likely the same issue.

   Sam

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