On 8 March 2013 12:40, Warner Losh <i...@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> On 7 March 2013 18:03, Tijl Coosemans <t...@coosemans.org> wrote: >>> On 2013-03-07 22:36, Warner Losh wrote: >>>> On Mar 7, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Dimitry Andric wrote: >>>>> On 2013-03-07 21:22, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>>> Because it's the practical thing to do? Old code/makefiles can't possibly >>>>>> be expected to know about compilers of the future, while new code can be >>>>>> expected to add -std=c11. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure I buy that argument; if it were so, we should default to >>>>> K&R C instead, since "old code" (for some arbitrary definition of "old") >>>>> could never have been expected to know about gcc defaulting to gnu89. >>> >>> My argument was to be practical, i.e. don't change what doesn't have to >>> change. >>> >>>> -std=c11 is defintely too new, but maybe c89 is too old. >>>> >>>> I thought the c89 program actually was mandated by POSIX, no? >>> >>> Both were part of POSIX. c89 was a strict ISO c89 compiler, while cc was >>> c89, but could additionally accept "an unspecified dialect of the C >>> language". http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xcu/cc.html >>> >>> So, if practicality isn't a good enough argument, maybe POSIX compliance >>> is? >> >> cc is marked as "LEGACY" which is described as optional ("need not be >> provided"). >> However, I would not be surprised if a non-zero number of ports depend >> on cc existing. >> >> If we are to remove it or change it, I would like to see that preceded >> by an exp-run. > > Removing cc is an exceedingly stupid idea. I think it should be preceded by > the heat death of the universe. It will cause nothing but gratuitous pain and > suffering for our users and gain us absolutely nothing in return. Do not even > think about removing 'cc,' let alone trying to do an exp-run. The idea is a > non-starter and you'd be wasting your time.
My comment included the proposal to modify it to use c99 (or c11). That change must also be preceded by an exp-run. I am not making the proposals, only responding to them. I agree that removing cc buys us nothing. -- Eitan Adler _______________________________________________ freebsd-toolchain@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-toolchain-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
