On 4 Sep 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jim Pingle wrote:

The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years.
Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup mirror, then use an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The packages on CD are out of date practically from the moment they are placed there, so I rarely use them. The only package I regularly used was cvsup-without-gui, which has
been replaced by csup in the base system.

Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD:

* cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this)
* rsync
* perl

Then, since packages are always out-of-date, why not just skip the DVD and use the internet with a couple of check boxes at the end of the install, the way ports is treated now, that are just calls to pkg_add - r for:

* KDE
* GNOME
* Firefox
* ... whatever else are the most popular add-ons

Fewer bits to be delivered via CD/DVD, and things are always up-to-date.

Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like FreeSBIE and PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare apples to apples,
you might investigate those choices a little closer.

Touche. I had forgotten this. Perhaps this is why I was able to crash Ubuntu so quickly yesterday... ;-)

I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all.

The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back into BSD.

I do not want to spill onto DVDs, remove the sources, get rid of command prompts, or force systems to have X.org on them...

Dan

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