BACKGROUND:

A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a decent basic system from one CD.

One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well.

Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox 3.0+ be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a basic working system with a web browser can be a default install? Is it that X.org is now too big?

I have been a FreeBSD user/builder for more than a decade because of / usr/src/make - complete sources and a beautiful build system, but I must admit that Ubuntu has done a great job of modern hardware detection and providing a nice useable system out of the box. I wish we could join both worlds in a future BSD release. (I crashed Ubuntu 8.04 in the first day so I still prefer BSD to Linux.)

Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a great new laptop which cannot connect to the outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu supports these and lots more.

SUMMARY:

I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1:

1) X.org
2) icewm
3) firefox-3.0
4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers
5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver

Dan Allen

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