How about a configuration of two Ad-hoc cards pointing towards eachother between two 
buildings
  and an IPSec tunnel is applied. Wouldn't it be great if (unencrypted) packets 
destined to go through 
  that IPSec tunnel could go through in full ethernet size, without fragmentation, pr 
host tcp stack
  adjustments or resending because of DF flag?

  What about transporting VLANs over wireless?

  There is a lot of equipment out there, especially wireless but also wired (ATM?) 
that allows larger
  MTUs for special circumstances.

  It's like buying a car with all the extra features - but only a handful of the 
features work.

  Just my 2 nkr 

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Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards 

Sten Daniel Sørsdal 
Wireless Manager
WAN Norway AS 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wright, Michaelx L [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 3. januar 2003 19:28
To: Evren Yurtesen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Michael Sierchio; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea]


Good Afternoon All,

I am curious to know if you are taking into account MTU limitations imposed by 
link-partners i.e. switches, hubs, routers and the like. Some if not most ( for Unix) 
require end-nodes to be approximately 22 bytes less than the link-partner device's 
maximum supported MTU. I am not sure if, but would somewhat expect, a wireless access 
point to have some impact on the sizing and/transfer at above the 1500 MTU setting.




Cheers

M. L. Wright
Intel UNIX-NQL
503.264.8300

-----Original Message-----
From: Evren Yurtesen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:07 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Michael Sierchio; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: wi0 and mtu setting [bad idea]

You are definetely right, setting the MTU might be really bad thing, but why dont you 
let the person setting it decide it for himself? Thus FreeBSD wi driver can support 
setting this value higher than 1500 in your own risk. Its a functionality request 
only. I dont suggest that you set the default mtu for wi driver something higher than 
1500!

Evren

On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jan 2003 02:22:34 +0200 (WET)  Evren Yurtesen wrote:
> > I definetely agree and obviously since mikrotikos supports this then
linux
> > should do since mikrotikos is built on linux. Why shouldnt FreeBSD
support
> > setting mtu of wireless interfaces higher than 1500
> 
> Setting a "wireless interface" to a MTU of higher than 1500 octets is 
> ill-advised unless you are in very specific, unusual conditions.
> 
> The subject header talks about "wi0", which implies IEEE Ethernet 
> 802.11b standard interface.
> 
> The IEEE maintains the Ethernet standards.  Start with:
> 
> http://www.ieee.org
> 
> or
> 
> http://www.ieee802.org
> 
> >From a quick glance at the standard:
> 
>   "IEEE Std 802.11b-1999 (Supplement to ANSI/IEEE Std 802.11, 1999
Edition)
>      Supplement to IEEE Standard for Information technology
>      Telecommunications and information exchange between systems Local
>      and metropolitan area networks Specific requirements Part 11:
>      Wireless LAN Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY)
>      specifications: Higher-Speed Physical Layer Extension in the 2.4
GHz
>      Band"
> 
> it is not clear to me that  MTU > 1500 octets are legal with 802.11b.
> 
> If your system is connected to the Internet, setting the MTU on your 
> FreeBSD system, which is probably not a core router, to anything above 
> 1500 is a stupid idea.  If you don't already know this, and don't 
> understand the reasons why, you would be best advised not to mess with 
> the MTU at all.
> 
> Stick with the default until you gain more experience.  You might want 
> to read up on "packet fragmentation" and "MTU discovery" for 
> explanations why this is a good idea.
> 
> good luck,
> fletcher
> 
> 


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