I have an older box that was -current challenged on the USB stuff. The box would hang on boot shortly after starting /sbin/init. Commenting out the USB lines in GENERIC and building a kernel without the USB devices enabled got around this. Today I ran into the same issue on -stable with this box. It hasn't been updated since july 8'th so its happened since then. I can boot the affected kernel in stand alone mode and by pressing the "escape to debugger" key I can get the kernel to go on and give me a shell prompt. I can type return but we are hung till I escape again. In other words "escape to debugger" lets me break out of some kind of kernel mutex wait or lock loop in the USB code. I can type "sync;halt<enter>" and nothing will echo. I can press "escape", return to the kernel, get the echo, and the commands will be processed. I have no USB devices at all but the motherboard appears to have some stab at support for it. Admittedly the older box may just not be doing some USB irq level correctly. I never did pursue it to resolution on -current. Any ideas? Later Mark Hittinger Earthlink [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message