On 9 Dec 2020, at 2:31, Peter wrote:
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:02:47PM +0100, Kristof Provost wrote:

! > Sorry for the bad news.
! >
! You appear to be triggering two or three different bugs there.

That is possible. Then there are two or three different bugs in the
production code.

In any case, my current workaround, i.e. delaying in the exec.poststop

        exec.poststop = "
           sleep 6 ;
           /usr/sbin/ngctl shutdown ${ifname1l}: ;
       ";

helps for it all and makes the system behave solid. This is true
with and without Your patch.

! Can you reduce your netgraph use case to a small test case that can trigger
! the problem?

I'm sorry, I fear I don't get Your point.
Assumed there are actually two or three bugs here, You are asking me
to reduce config so that it will trigger only one of them? Is that
correct?

No, we need a simple case to reproduce these problems. It’s fine if that test case triggers multiple issues.

Then let me put this different: assuming this is the OS for the life
support system of the manned Jupiter mission. Then, which one of the
bugs do You want to get fixed, and which would You prefer to keep and
make Your oxygen supply cut off?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEo2g-w545A

Happily we’re not in space.


! I’m not likely to be able to do anything unless I can reproduce
! the problem(s).

I understand that.
From Your former mail I get the impression that you prefer to rely
on tests. I consider this a bad habit[1] and prefer logical thinking.

<snip nonsense>

(Background: It is not that I would be unwilling to create clean and
precisely reproducible scenarious, But, one of my problems is
currently, I only have two machines availabe: the graphical one where
I'm just typing, and the backend server with the jails that does
practically everything.

These issues should trigger just fine in VMs. There’s no need for hardware pain.

Regards,
Kristof
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