all boards are identical, purchased at the same time.

> On 31 Jul 2017, at 13:48, Ian Smith <smi...@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:09:11 +0300, Daniel Braniss wrote:
> 
>> I am trying out PCengines latest apu2 boards, and I just noticed that with 
>> different Freebsd versions I get
>> different freq_levels, and so when idling, each box (have 5) has a different 
>> freq/temperature value, ranging
>> from 125/69.1C, 600/59.0C to 75/56.0C
>> 
>> FreeBSD apu-4 11.1-STABLE FreeBSD 11.1-STABLE #5 f565b5a06ab3 (11) tip: Mon 
>> Jul 31 09:36:33 IDT 2017
>> apu-4# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels
>> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1000/980 800/807 600/609
> 
> That looks about right.  On a Core2Duo (still on 9.3) I get:
> dev.est.1.freq_settings: 2401/35000 2400/35000 1600/15000 800/12000
> dev.est.0.freq_settings: 2401/35000 2400/35000 1600/15000 800/12000
> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 2401/35000 2400/35000 1600/15000 800/12000
> dev.cpu.0.freq: 800
> 
> But only because I'd added to /boot/loader.conf:
> 
> hint.p4tcc.0.disabled=1
> hint.acpi_throttle.0.disabled=1
> 

the above are in my device.hints, so I assume they now standard.

> which became the defaults sometime, maybe not before 11.0?  Otherwise 
> mine would look more similar to the one below, with all 12.5% increments 
> in frequency enabled, which doesn't actually save any power at all.
> 
>> FreeBSD apu-5 11.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 11.1-PRERELEASE #0 21e9d1ca9b80 (11) 
>> tip: Tue May 30 11:51:48 IDT 2017
>> apu-5# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels
>> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1000/966 875/845 800/795 700/695 600/600 525/525 
>> 450/450 375/375 300/300 225/225 150/150 75/75
> 
> Looks like either p4tcc or acpi_throttle is enabled?  See cpufreq(4).
> As above, these don't buy you anything but extra busyness for powerd.
> 
> Also noticed that the (nice, low!) milliwatt figures for 1000/800/600 
> freqs are a bit different to the -stable one.  Slightly Different model?
> 
>> FreeBSD apu-1 10.3-STABLE FreeBSD 10.3-STABLE #4 267788fd852c (10) tip: Tue 
>> Jan 10 09:09:00 IST 2017
>> apu-1# sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels
>> dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1000/-1 875/-1 750/-1 625/-1 500/-1 375/-1 250/-1 
>> 125/-1
> 
> And that looks like est(4) isn't enabled/attaching at all .. see dmesg 
> on all of these for clues.
> 
>> so, any ideas as to what is going on?
> 
> Pure guesswork on experience with older versions, I'm not up to date.
> 
> cheers, Ian

well, since I’m mostly interested in 11.1 at the moment, what you are saying is 
that’s ok,
fine by me, 

thanks,
        danny

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