On 07/25/2015 05:04 AM, Glen Barber wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:23:12PM -0400, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
On 2015-07-24 17:27, Glen Barber wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 05:15:52PM -0400, Nikolai Lifanov wrote:
I noticed that in stable/10, /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf was switched from
using
latest package set to whichever one that is "quarterly" word is pointing
to
at the moment. What is the motivation for this change?
This was not done in the stable/10 branch, it was done in releng/10.2.
Quarterly package sets are useful if the end-user is able to pick which
one
to pull from and there is some amount of time of support overlap so that
the
user has time to validate the new package set and switch his systems to
it
(like what is done with pkgsrc). As-is, "quarterly" works just like
"latest"
>from end-user perspective, but for most of the lifecycle packages are
outdated and there is a massive update bomb four times per year.
Port branches are still valuable to those building their own packages,
since
they can support the previous (unsupported by the project) branch,
backporting fixes manually, while validating and upgrading to the new
one.
But, what is the value of the quarterly package set as-is and what is
the
value of switching to this set by default?
In general, the quarterly package set is less prone to having build
failures, since the changes in the branch are (by intent) less
intrusive, while still receiving security updates. It is analogous to
the stable or releng branches in src, and how they compare to head.
(This will be noted in the final 10.2-RELEASE announcement, as well as
the release notes, and will also include instructions on how to switch
to the 'latest' branch if that is what is desired.)
Glen
Cool, thanks for the explanation!
You're welcome. (The 'quarterly' branch is admittedly under-documented,
which is a problem.)
What would be really amazing to see are quarterly branches that the end user
can switch between, like pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/2015Q3 ->
pkg.freebsd.org/${ABI}/2015Q4 when he is ready, with at least a little bit
of overlap.
I agree this would be a "nice to see" feature, but as I have insight
into how the pkg(8) mirrors operate, this is an unfortunately
non-trivial thing to implement.
Glen
Does this mean that quarterly pkg are synchronous with ports quarterly
branches? Say, at the moment, packages that we install with the default
("quarterly") setting in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf, are built from the
2015Q3 branch?
-Alnis
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