On 7/13/2015 12:29, Adrian Chadd wrote: > hi, > > With that much storage and that many snapshots, I do think you need > more than 96GB of RAM in the box. I'm hoping someone doing active ZFS > work can comment.. > > I don't think the ZFS code is completely "memory usage" safe. The > "old" Sun suggestions when I started using ZFS was "if your server > panics due to out of memory with ZFS, buy more memory." > > That said, there doesn't look like there's a leak anywhere - those > dumps show you're using at least 32gig on each just in zfs data > buffers. That's normal. > > Try tuning the ARC down a little? The ARC is supposed to auto-size and use all available free memory. The problem is that the VM system and ARC system both make assumptions that under certain load patterns fight with one another, and when this happens and ARC wins the system gets in trouble FAST. The pattern is that the system will start to page RSS out rather than evict ARC, ARC will fill the freed space, it pages more RSS out..... you see where this winds up heading yes?
UMA contributes to the problem substantially when ZFS grabs chunks of RAM of a given size and then frees them as UMA will hold that RAM in reserve in the event of a subsequent allocation. For certain work patterns this can get really ugly as you can wind up with huge amounts of RAM held by the UMA system and unavailable, yet not in actual use. The patch I posted the link to has addressed both of these issues on my systems here (and a number of other people's as well); I continue to run it here in production and have been extremely happy with it. > -adrian > > > On 13 July 2015 at 04:48, Christopher Forgeron <csforge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> TL;DR Summary: I can run FreeBSD out of memory quite consistently, and it’s >> not a TOS/mbuf exhaustion issue. It’s quite possible that ZFS is the >> culprit, but shouldn’t the pager be able to handle aggressive memory >> requests in a low memory situation gracefully, without needing custom tuning >> of ZFS / VM? >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I’ve been dealing with some instability in my 10.1-RELEASE and >> STABLEr282701M machines for the last few months. >> >> These machines are NFS/iSCSI storage machines, running on Dell M610x or >> similar hardware, 96 Gig Memory, 10Gig Network Cards, dual Xeon Processors – >> Fairly beefy stuff. >> >> Initially I thought it was more issues with TOS / jumbo mbufs, as I had this >> problem last year. I had thought that this was properly resolved, but >> setting my MTU to 1500, and turning off TOS did give me a bit more >> stability. Currently all my machines are set this way. >> >> Crashes were usually represented by loss of network connectivity, and the >> ctld daemon scrolling messages across the screen at full speed about lost >> connections. >> >> All of this did seem like more network stack problems, but with each crash >> I’d be able to learn a bit more. >> >> Usually there was nothing of any use in the logfile, but every now and then >> I’d get this: >> >> Jun 3 13:02:04 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): failed to allocate memory >> Jun 3 13:02:04 san0 kernel: WARNING: icl_pdu_new: failed to allocate 80 >> bytes >> Jun 3 13:02:04 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): failed to allocate memory >> Jun 3 13:02:04 san0 kernel: WARNING: icl_pdu_new: failed to allocate 80 >> bytes >> Jun 3 13:02:04 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): failed to allocate memory >> --------- >> Jun 4 03:03:09 san0 kernel: WARNING: icl_pdu_new: failed to allocate 80 >> bytes >> Jun 4 03:03:09 san0 kernel: WARNING: icl_pdu_new: failed to allocate 80 >> bytes >> Jun 4 03:03:09 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): failed to allocate memory >> Jun 4 03:03:09 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): connection error; dropping >> connection >> Jun 4 03:03:09 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): connection error; dropping >> connection >> Jun 4 03:03:10 san0 kernel: WARNING: 172.16.0.97 >> (iqn.1998-01.com.vmware:esx5a-3387a188): waiting for CTL to terminate tasks, >> 1 remaining >> Jun 4 06:04:27 san0 syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel >> >> So knowing that it seemed to be running out of memory, I started leaving >> leaving ‘vmstat 5’ running on a console, to see what it was displaying >> during the crash. >> >> It was always the same thing: >> >> 0 0 0 1520M 4408M 15 0 0 0 25 19 0 0 21962 1667 91390 >> 0 33 67 >> 0 0 0 1520M 4310M 9 0 0 0 2 15 3 0 21527 1385 95165 >> 0 31 69 >> 0 0 0 1520M 4254M 7 0 0 0 14 19 0 0 17664 1739 72873 >> 0 18 82 >> 0 0 0 1520M 4145M 2 0 0 0 0 19 0 0 23557 1447 96941 >> 0 36 64 >> 0 0 0 1520M 4013M 4 0 0 0 14 19 0 0 4288 490 34685 0 >> 72 28 >> 0 0 0 1520M 3885M 2 0 0 0 0 19 0 0 11141 1038 69242 >> 0 52 48 >> 0 0 0 1520M 3803M 10 0 0 0 14 19 0 0 24102 1834 91050 >> 0 33 67 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 2 0 0 0 2 15 1 0 19037 1131 77470 >> 0 45 55 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 22 0 0 2 0 6 0 146 82 578 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 130 40 510 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 143 40 501 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 201 62 660 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 101 28 404 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 97 27 398 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 93 28 377 0 >> 0 100 >> 0 0 0 1520M 8192B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 92 27 373 0 >> 0 100 >> >> >> I’d go from a decent amount of free memory to suddenly having none. Vmstat >> would stop outputting, console commands would hang, etc. The whole system >> would be useless. >> >> Looking into this, I came across a similar issue; >> >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=199189 >> >> I started increasing v.v_free_min, and it helped – My crashes went from >> being ~every 6 hours to every few days. >> >> Currently I’m running with vm.v_free_min=1254507 – That’s (1254507 * 4KiB) , >> or 4.78GiB of Reserve. The vmstat above is of a machine with that setting >> still running to 8B of memory. >> >> I have two issues here: >> >> 1) I don’t think I should ever be able to run the system into the ground on >> memory. Deny me new memory until the pager can free more. >> 2) Setting ‘min’ doesn’t really mean ‘min’ as it can obviously go below that >> threshold. >> >> >> I have plenty of local UFS swap (non-ZFS drives) >> >> Adrian requested that I output a few more diagnostic items, and this is >> what I’m running on a console now, in a loop: >> >> vmstat >> netstat -m >> vmstat -z >> sleep 1 >> >> The output of four crashes are attached here, as they can be a bit long. Let >> me know if that’s not a good way to report them. They will each start >> mid-way through a vmstat –z output, as that’s as far back as my terminal >> buffer allows. >> >> >> >> Now, I have a good idea of the conditions that are causing this: ZFS >> Snapshots, run by cron, during times of high ZFS writes. >> >> The crashes are all nearly on the hour, as that’s when crontab triggers my >> python scripts to make new snapshots, and delete old ones. >> >> My average FreeBSD machine has ~ 30 zfs datasets, with each pool having ~20 >> TiB used. These all need to snapshot on the hour. >> >> By staggering the snapshots by a few minutes, I have been able to reduce >> crashing from every other day to perhaps once a week if I’m lucky – But if I >> start moving a lot of data around, I can cause daily crashes again. >> >> It’s looking to be the memory demand of snapshotting lots of ZFS datasets at >> the same time while accepting a lot of write traffic. >> >> Now perhaps the answer is ‘don’t do that’ but I feel that FreeBSD should be >> robust enough to handle this. I don’t mind tuning for now to >> reduce/eliminate this, but others shouldn’t run into this pain just because >> they heavily load their machines – There must be a way of avoiding this >> condition. >> >> Here are the contents of my /boot/loader.conf and sysctl.conf, so show my >> minimal tuning to make this problem a little more bearable: >> >> /boot/loader.conf >> vfs.zfs.arc_meta_limit=49656727553 >> vfs.zfs.arc_max = 91489280512 >> >> /etc/sysctl.conf >> vm.v_free_min=1254507 >> >> >> Any suggestions/help is appreciated. >> >> Thank you. >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"�#�0���a/�j�!y��~��n����>����Ơ > -- Karl Denninger k...@denninger.net <mailto:k...@denninger.net> /The Market Ticker/ /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/
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