On Jun 12, 2012 10:48 AM, "H" <h...@hm.net.br> wrote: > > On Monday 11 June 2012 20:59 Chuck Swiger wrote: > > Hi, Dave-- > > > > On Jun 11, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Dave Hayes wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > > > Do I have this wrong? Anyone see a problem with this picture? > > > What can we do to "just upgrade" in a safe fashion when we want to? > > > > Two things help tremendously: > > > > #1: Have working backups. If you run into a problem, roll back the > > system to a working state. If you cannot restore a working system > > easily, fix your backup solution until you can rollback easily. > > > > #2: Have a package-building box and test builds before installing > > new package builds to other boxes. Your downtime for upgrades > > to the rest of your boxes become minimized. > > > > Regards, > > > of course it helps ... > > but please do not forget that most people just want their desktop up to date > and have a working kde (or any other) environment > > I believe the ports tree simply must? should? be seen as it is, partially good > working, and partially a jorney to very dark places , depends on which ports > and how many you have installed > > in any case it is for somebody who knows what he does and can find his way out, > or is courageous, a "normal desktop user" probably is not able to upgrade kde4 > properly and ends up with an unusable machine > > > > On Monday 11 June 2012 20:20 Dave Hayes wrote: > > Rainer Duffner <rai...@ultra-secure.de> writes: > > > Sometimes, options only make sense in context of the selection of > > > options of other ports and it thus may no be easily explainable in one > > > line. > > > > I don't understand Are you saying this is a reason not to document what > > these options do? > > > both here deepen the "lead into the dark" theory > > > On Sunday 10 June 2012 14:10 O. Hartmann wrote: > > "portmaster" does even more damage. Sometimed a port reels in some newly > > updates, a port gets deleted. if on of the to be updated prerquisits > > fail, the port in question isn't there anymore. > > > this is caused of ports tree's install script maior logic failure, BTW by > portmaster AND portupgrade and it happens quite often, > > as already commented, nobody sits in front of the screen and watch the compile > process so this problems go under at first sight > > I think, correcting this, would help a lot and may solve a lot of existing > [hidden] problems. > > I see only one way, having a complete package collection for easy upgrade > > most of you do not like it, but you must look at the competitors, Fedoras > upgrade system works, user do not need the newest features and none of them > are essential for a desktop to work properly > > of course the package collection needs then something similar to portversion, > but not based on ports tree versions, in order to find available updates > > who then wants to customize or learn or who dares, can use the ports tree
You have hit the nail right on the head there, and that is the intention with pkgng. Please feel free to have a go with it using the beta repos :) Chris _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
