Re[4]: DefCon lecture BSD Kern Vulns

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>Sunday, August  6, 2017 10:17 PM UTC from Justin Coffman via freebsd-security 
><freebsd-security@freebsd.org>:
>
>> >Monday, July 31, 2017 4:20 PM UTC from Dag-Erling Smørgrav
>> < d...@des.no >:
>> >
>> >Big Lebowski <  spankthes...@gmail.com > writes:
>> >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <  d...@des.no > writes:
>> >> > There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware.
>> >> > You may have the best of intentions, but nothing good will come of
>> >> > raising this topic here and now.  Just drop it.
>> >> Des, please, stop doing that. You're greatest example of cant-be-done
>> >> about almost anything anyone asks for on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Michelle, please, don't stop. Keep talking, keep asking, and maybe
>> >> one day a new breed of people who don't care about cant-be-done or
>> >> 'decades of history' will get things done.
>> >
>> >No.  You truly have no idea.  You're pouring gasoline on a fire and
>> >inadvertantly insulting everyone involved.
>> >
>> >Come see me at a con and we can discuss it over a beer.  But not here.
>> Remind me - who are you to set the standards what people can tell and what
>> not ?
>> 
>> I'm off this list. This is ridiculous. An important topic killed by some 
>> dickhead.
>
>As a complete newcomer to this list, seeing a fairly well-written message 
>responded to in such an arrogant and, frankly, idiotic manner does not reflect 
>well upon this project.
the next question is, of course: why would anyone want to shift discussion over 
security in general away from the public, and into his own, secretive meetings ?

I leave the answer for everyone to decide for themselves.
What I saw on the defcon slide, is layman-like code quality. Even I (!) could 
do a lot better.
This is __ridiculous__.

The Freebsd foundation has money (I heard 1million from the Whatsapp founder 
?). 

What I think is happening here by this idiotic, demoralising and unconstructive 
and conversation-destroying approach of Mr des Smoerebread is the following: we 
(the users or others) are being patronised by some members (..) as they believe 
it is usus to have the people watched over - if they all do what is "for the 
greater good", if they all do what the "governors" think is meant for us to do. 
Mr Des seems a typical figure in representing/supporting secret services so 
that "his world" is fine. Meaning, the blockage of discussion and of arguments 
has only ONE reason: see das Dritte Reich - the Third Reick. Etc. etc.

I will not continue using freebsd when I have the impression that this is what 
is going on. Certainly not. 



>
>"There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware."
>"No.  You truly have no idea."
>
>Was your intent to sound like a know-it-all hipster? If not, reconsider your 
>approach. If so, SERIOUSLY reconsider your approach.
>
>Michelle has a point. I submitted a PR on a port and waited TWO YEARS to be 
>told "your patch is in the wrong form." There are reasonable and realistic 
>criticisms that demand reasonable responses. Dag, your response fell FAR short 
>in the reasonableness test.
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