Chuck Swiger wrote:
Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect.This is untrue.
The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple
When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, Solaris. That's what I meant.
Java is as proprietary as it gets. (Unfortunately many of us need it.)Nonsense. While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included.
Proprietary is proprietary. Java is not standardized, Sun has an iron clutch on it (you can't name a reimplementation "Java[tm]"), and, in contrast to Sun's marketing spindoctors, it's a rather unportable environment (not the least due to Sun's licensing policy). So what's "open" there? The fact that you may download it without license fees for a selected few systems, and that they document their product?
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