Henry Lenzi wrote: > On 4/19/07, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Henry Lenzi wrote: >> > I find nothing brilliant in Debian's package management. It's heavily >> > dependent upon human intervention and just adds a layer of complexity >> > on top of a problem that was *already solved* in the Unix world, by >> > using Make files. Do they have a better backtracking algorithm then >> > Make? No. >> >> I don't understand this at all. > > It's quite obvious you don't. > >> Assuming that Ubuntu's package >> management is nearly the same as Debian's (by means of apt-get etc.) >> then how do you figure it's heavily dependent on human intervention? >> > > Have you ever seen the process whereby Debian (and I keep saying > Debian because Ubuntu just piggybacks on the Debian developers) > releases packages? > > Their package management system is supposed to be about handling > dependencies automatically. Well, I'm not sure you've quite noticed > this, that FreeBSD (and the other BSDs) *also* handle dependencies > automatically. How? Because of the Magic Makefiles and its > backtracking algorithm! Well, funny, huh. No need to reinvent the > wheel, as 3 BSD Unixes demonstrate daily. > >> >> > Debian's package management is the number one cause that distro just >> > got slower and slower in their release cycle. >> > >> Interesting - so, the semi annual (of course this means 2 times a year) >> release of say Ubuntu isn't in line with say, OpenBSD or even FreeBSD >> (when they manage to push our 2 releases in a year). > > I said Debian and you said Ubuntu. My point was that the packaging > system they have impinges an extra work load on their "developers" > (there aren't really developers in Debian, only packagers. Only one or > two develop system-level software, unlike in the BSDs). > Fine. Ubuntu release sin a 6 months cycle. That is the reason they > created Ubuntu, because Debian couldn't handle it. Notice that Ubuntu > has full time developers on their payroll, *and* they piggyback on > Debian. My point being that part of the blame lies in the technology > which, in fact, is an opinion seldom heard. A funny thing that the guy > who actually invented dpkg doesn't really use it anymore... > Here's what you do: plot a graphic of the growth of number of packages > in Debian, and then observe how that relates to their release cycle. > You'll notice that the more packages they have, the more they stall. > >> >> Base on what you have stated - you either used a very old version of >> Debian or a very old version of Ubuntu. Then again, there is always the >> notion that you may not have used any of the above and are just talking >> out your keister ;) >> >> > Henry Lenzi > > Yes I have, I used Debian for over 5 years. I much prefer FreeBSD > nowadays. Anyways, I'll not have an argument with you. I care nothing > about Ubuntu or Debian or your opinons on whether I've used Debian or > not. That is what I think. I'll just leave it at that. You think > Ubuntu is great, good for you. > > Henry Lenzi > >
As I mentioned before - the Op's question was/is about Ubuntu. I simply clarified the fact that you were muddying the waters by stating Debian. And perhaps its true - Ubu is nothing more then a better Debian - but i must reiterate the fact - the thread was about Ubu. By muddying the waters of the thread - you are lending information that isn't pertainant to the Op or anyone else for that matter. I will admit one thing, from the wording of your thread, it appears as I mis interrupted what you meant. While I read it from an end user point of view - you clearly meant it from a programmers (or package maintaners) point of view. Perhaps had you made that clearer (not only for me, but others) this part of the thread would not have gotten this far. -- Best regards, Chris Be sure each item is properly endorsed. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
