# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-10-05 23:03:34 -0700:
> # ps -auxww | egrep -i '{sawf|gnome}'
> 
> I couldn't remember how to use egrep or `grep -e` so in two commands...

    see re_format(7)
 
> # ps -auxww | grep -i sawfish ; ps -auxww | grep -i gnome\-
> root  2303  0.0  0.9  7688 4744  v0  S    10:37PM   0:00.75 sawfish
> root  2508  0.0  1.4  9924 7036  v0  I    10:37PM   0:00.56 rep 
>/usr/X11R6/libexec/sawfish/2.0.pre1/i386-pc-freebsd4/sawfish-menu
> 
> root  2302  0.0  1.4 11444 7420  v0  S    10:37PM   0:00.29 gnome-session
> root  2304  0.0  2.1 14472 10716  v0  S    10:37PM   0:00.61 gnome-panel
> root  2323  0.0  1.3 11432 6652  ??  Is   10:37PM   0:00.15 gnome-smproxy 
>--sm-config-prefix /.gnome-smproxy-r2Q2HA/ --sm-client-id 
>10658bcac2000103387828500000011050000
> root  2325  0.0  1.5 11792 7800  ??  SNs  10:37PM   0:00.95 gnome-settings-daemon 
>--sm-config-prefix /gnome-settings-daemon-QQ9wsv/ --sm-client-id 
>10658bcac2000103387828500000011050001 gnome-settings-daemon
> root  2523  0.0  1.8 13032 9312  ??  Ss   10:38PM   0:00.43 gnome-panel 
>--sm-config-prefix /gnome-panel-YwD8Tx/ --sm-client-id 
>10658bcac2000103387828600000011050003
> 
> Here's the pressing question!  I am currently running startx.  It isn't
> clear if my wm is sawfish or metacity, but one thing is certain: I have no
> gnome-panel!  Just a background and I can middle-click for a menu :(

    i don't use gnome, but isn't that thing autohiding like the windows
    toolbar it's mimicking?
 
> Is there a way to run binaries from within an xterm?

    yes.

> The DISPLAY variable becomes a problem, because I don't want the X/GUI
> app to run within the terminal of course.

    of course. no worries though.

> I thought `exec gaim` for example would be similar to
> Start > Run... to run a binary within the x session, no?

    no. `gaim &` would be more similar.
 
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