On Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:45:11 +0100 "Kurt Jaeger" <li...@opsec.eu> said
Hi! > Let me attempt to make my point another way (and stay closer to topic). > A user is able to accomplish more from sendmail in base, than with any > other MX port in base alone. [list of sendmail features shortend for brevity] > Many of the other MX software in the ports tree provide a subset of > the shortlist I mentioned above. But none of them offer them all. So if sendmail is a pkg/port, it would still have those features ? Is a pkg install sendmail such a huge step ? And btw, even if sendmail has all those features, I can tell you that even when I first attend my first sendmail workshop, approx. 27 years ago, I still would not know how to implement them with sendmail. > I were an MX administrator. Would I not want all the options/help > I could get to defend myself against attack? I still don't get the difference if sendmail would be a port/pkg. Oh, btw, if sendmail can do all this, wouldn't it be useful to have a suitable config that does all this right out of the box ? Because, honestly, I would not know how to enable all those features... > True. But if I'm selling a Server targeted OS. Don't I want to > advocate server grade services? But the distribution channel of the software for that service (base or port) does not sound as the relevant factor for the end-user, or does it ?
OK. So if I'm understanding this all correctly; All the (FreeBSD) worlds a package. So what am I arguing for Sendmail in base for? It makes no sense -- everything's a package. Am I getting warmer? :-) If so. Then where does it end? How many packages must I install to get a "standard" Server install? I'm going to want cp(1), fsck(8), mkdir(1), gpart(8),... Wow! filling /bin/, and /sbin/ will take an awful lot of packages, and I haven't had time to consider /usr/bin/, and /usr/sbin/ ! ;-) As I understand it, the $BASE package is going to amount to what one would expect, and need to get (at least) a usable system. IMHO *mail* is an important part of *any* system. Oh wait. This is intended as part of a simple *desktop* system? Because that's the audience FreeBSD is currently targeting? OK than no *real* need for a robust MX there. As they'll likely just be using their ISP for an MX, and only *really* need a MX *client*. OK that makes more sense. :P I'm only advocating that if $BASE is intended for a reasonable/minimal Server base install. That an MX *is* an important part of that definition, and that Sendmail be *that* MX. :-) Thanks for playing along, Kurt. :-) --Chris P.S. Indeed. Sendmail, *can* be installed as a package, and still work, as I think, can *anything* else. But *where* does it all end -- It's *mad* I tell ya!
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