From Kevin Oberman:
Just to add another voice of those who use portmaster on a regular basis. I
moved to portmaster about seven years ago and have has very few issues with
it. I have had issues building ports from time to time, but it's been a
long time since i hit one that was not a problem with the port... often
related to the options I use. I like that it has no dependencies. I like
that it is very stable. There are things I would like to see changed, but I
would be very upset to lose it. Since it is stable, the only way I would
lose it is if the underlying port structure changed in a way that required
work on it.
Saying that synth and poudriere are replacements for portmaster/portupgrade
simply indicate lack of familiarity with my (and others) use cases. I have
used synth and it is excellent, but not on my development system where
everything is built from source and I hope always will be. I have found
portupgrade too fragile for the reasons mentioned. I had to clean up a
mangled database once too often. (Yes, it is a flat text db, so it can be
fixed manually, but it is NOT fun!)
"but not on my development system where everything is built from source
and I hope always will be"
At face value, this doesn't make sense because synth is a tool for
building everything from source, so your development system is exactly
where it should be installed.
So you must be talking about build dependencies of synth (there are no
run dependencies). While I think the requirement of rebuilding synth
from source is artificial, I've provided a very reasonable approach to
solving this which I feel compelled to repeat for the readers of Kevin's
post. The solution:
Starting with a clean system:
1) install synth from binary package from official freebsd builder (a
single package)
2) Configure synth if necessary
3) command synth to build itself
4) pkg delete synth (system is once again clean)
5) pkg add -F /path/to/synth/packages/synth-*
Now you have a system containing s/w built by itself. On an modest
system less than 4 years old, it might take 30 minutes at most.
So the "synth has dependencies" detraction is extremely weak. For
people that trust FreeBSD to provide untainted binaries, it's not an
issue at all and for the paranoid, it's easily worked around. Saying
that the use of Ada limits it to the platforms it can run on natively is
a valid detraction, but it's BUILD dependencies really aren't due to the
availability of binary packages, the PRIMARY product of the ports tree.
RE: poudriere, it has no dependencies. It's just as appropriate on the
dev system and adding a jail and configuring it also takes less than 30
minutes. Either is very appropriate for a system that must build
everything that is run on it.
John
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