On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Peter Jeremy <peter at rulingia.com> wrote:
On 2016-Dec-15 19:31:22 +0100, list-freebsd-ports at jyborn.se wrote:
Interestingly, the most vocal proponent of deleting portmaster and
portupgrade is the author/maintainer of synch.

It's not interesting at all. Synth was in a large part created because people were irrationally sticking with portmaster and more frighteningly gaining new users.

I won't say "never". But I feel that both package builders (poudriere,
synth) need some more time to shake out more issues / bugs and get
into a better shape first. This isn't based on any specific problems
or bugs, more a "felleing2 based on people's feedback in the forums
and on mailing lists.

I insist that you base this on "specific problems". Speaking for Synth, there are no known bugs in it. There are no pending issues with existing features. It is updated frequently. AFAIK poudriere is updated regularly as well. The above is an accusation that you absolutely must back up with fact because it's basically defamation.

If I was interested in package builders, I would spend some time
helping to test them. Since my interests related to FreeBSD is on
other things / tools / whatever, I spend my "FreeBSD time" on those
other things instead.

DragonFly has switched to Synth from poudriere as it's primary package builder. That means it builds entire repositories (25,000 packages) biweekly on multiple servers. It's highly used which serves as continuous testing. I also use it on FreeBSD to test updates to ports. In fact, anyone that updates ports should use either poudriere testport or synth test. (Based on evidence, it's clear that some people whom I won't name publicly never use the QA checks before committing significant changes but that's getting sidetracked).

The point is that these tools are in great shape and to imply otherwise needs proof. It's portmaster that's not receiving updates.

John

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